This guy has no idea to shave

[friendo977]

Its about the two minute mark when my draw dropped. He suggests using a mach 3 at a 90 degree angle with long strokes with and against the grain. I have not been wet shaving very long (3 months) but I know if I shaved like that my face would be on fire!
http://www.5min.com/Video/Learn-how-to-Use-a-Shaving-Oil-142078557

 

[scottish steve]

It is truly awful what some people do to themselves. I am definitely a shaving evangelist and have converted a few friends. The worst thing I personally saw was my uncle who, when I suggested he try some Speik, literally put a quarter of a tube onto his dry fingers then directly onto his bone dry face, then attack it with a Mach 3. He looked like a burn victim for 3 days!

 

[HoratioCaine]

Sheesh...my face hurt just watching that. Also, there are a few things he says that don't quite add up. One, how does oil "oxidize" on the skin? That suggests it's having a chemical reaction. I don't get that. It sounds like he's making that up, a la Charles Roberts. Two, he makes a point of talking about blade angle, which is silly given that he's using a Mach3, where the blade angle is built in. His "90 degree angle" is just a manipulation of the handle; it does nothing to change the angle of the actual blades. I would say it's admirable that he's offering instruction on shaving, but given that (1) he's saying stuff that isn't accurate, and (2) he's suggesting techniques that are the source of misery for a lot of men (even if they aren't so for him), and (3) he's promoting the use of his own products in the process, I'm inclined to write the guy off and suggest others do the same.

 

[Atrin]

How do you know that he doesn't know how to shave? What works for him may not work for you, perhaps he has greater dexterity, experience and shaving talent than you or I. Let's not be haughty. Let's be gentlemen.

One, how does oil "oxidize" on the skin? That suggests it's having a chemical reaction. I don't get that. It sounds like he's making that up, a la Charles Roberts.

The same way an apple sitting on a table oxidizes. By reacting with oxygen.

His "90 degree angle" is just a manipulation of the handle; it does nothing to change the angle of the actual blades.

Maybe it does not affect the angle of the blades but maybe the angle of the handle affects how energy is transferred in the system. For one thing, at a 45 degree angle it looks like you pull the blade down on your face. The 90 degree seems to be more of a push.

 

[flycbyrd]

Sheesh...my face hurt just watching that. Also, there are a few things he says that don't quite add up. One, how does oil "oxidize" on the skin? That suggests it's having a chemical reaction. I don't get that. It sounds like he's making that up, a la Charles Roberts. Two, he makes a point of talking about blade angle, which is silly given that he's using a Mach3, where the blade angle is built in. His "90 degree angle" is just a manipulation of the handle; it does nothing to change the angle of the actual blades. I would say it's admirable that he's offering instruction on shaving, but given that (1) he's saying stuff that isn't accurate, and (2) he's suggesting techniques that are the source of misery for a lot of men (even if they aren't so for him), and (3) he's promoting the use of his own products in the process, I'm inclined to write the guy off and suggest others do the same.

Hahaha all of what you said is true lol; he is making up bs. In case you guys dont know him yet then check out this vid please you will enjoy it lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBQoh6-yR6g

 

[Geordon]

Hahaha all of what you said is true lol; he is making up bs. In case you guys dont know him yet then check out this vid please you will enjoy it lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBQoh6-yR6g

Good gravy, what a tool. Did you see how he used like 3/4 ounce of his shave oil and like 1/4 cup of ASB? ***, dude?

Yeah, this is going onto my list of "things to avoid recommending".

 

[Sueto]

Just another way to shave, and another brand of product. Nothing really different here than what you might see in an Art of Shaving video. He came up with something that works for him and has the stones to put it out there for sale.

 

[Atrin]

Just another way to shave, and another brand of product. Nothing really different here than what you might see in an Art of Shaving video. He came up with something that works for him and has the stones to put it out there for sale.

Agreed.

There is a nasty air of "my hokey way is scientifically better than your hokey way" in this thread.

 

[mwhals]

Mantic59

Enough said since he shows how to do it right.

 

[flycbyrd]

Good gravy, what a tool. Did you see how he used like 3/4 ounce of his shave oil and like 1/4 cup of ASB? ***, dude?

Yeah, this is going onto my list of "things to avoid recommending".

If you watched the other video the first guy posted, notice how he doesnt lather in the cocktail shaving vid as he says its not necessary. He instead puts the dry cream on his face; What a waste of money especially if you are gonna do a multi-pass. He just wants you to use it dry so you buy more of his products faster. He gives alot of funny information IMHO

 

[theinternot]

Hahaha all of what you said is true lol; he is making up bs. In case you guys dont know him yet then check out this vid please you will enjoy it lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBQoh6-yR6g

I give this guy props for marketing. He was probably a Gillette executive.

Also, his videos are all of him with probably a week's worth of growth. I can get a great shave from a rusty spoon after a week's worth of growth. I would love to see an everyday shave over a week and see if it's all irritation free.

 

[Atrin]

I can get a great shave from a rusty spoon after a week's worth of growth. I would love to see an everyday shave over a week and see if it's all irritation free.

I've shaven everyday for a week while living in a tent with a Gillette Sensor Excel with nothing but water and cartridge. Irritation free.

What's your point?

 

[flycbyrd]

I got more irritation when I had longer facial hair when i used my fusion. It pulled the fire out of my hair.thank God for de's

 

[richmondesi]

For a tool disseminating inaccurate information, he appeared to wipe away a thick beard pretty easily.

I've used a latherless shave soap that worked really well, and after reading this article on Preshave Oils, part of what he says might make sense. I'd be interested to feel the sensation of his 90º pass, but I don't have anything to test it with

However, I'm curious about the "oxidizing" component to his presentation. Is there no oxygen in the bottle? All oxidize means is that it reacts with oxygen (or brings about change through oxidation which is funny because oils are used as an oxidation preventative usually). So, whatever is happening on the face with that oil, most likely has nothing to do with oxidation... Unless I'm missing something.

Interesting product, though...

 

[Atrin]

However, I'm curious about the "oxidizing" component to his presentation. Is there no oxygen in the bottle? All oxidize means is that it reacts with oxygen (or brings about change through oxidation which is funny because oils are used as an oxidation preventative usually). So, whatever is happening on the face with that oil, most likely has nothing to do with oxidation... Unless I'm missing something.

Well think about it. If you put a nail in a jar of oil it won't rust. Is it because oil doesn't rust? No it's because the oil is keeping the nail insulated from oxygen.

The oil itself can oxidate. Just ask anyone who's left a bottle of olive oil uncapped for a little while. Even synthetic oils rust. Look in your car's engine.

 

[richmondesi]

Well think about it. If you put a nail in a jar of oil it won't rust. Is it because oil doesn't rust? No it's because the oil is keeping the nail insulated from oxygen.

The oil itself can oxidate. Just ask anyone who's left a bottle of olive oil uncapped for a little while.

Think about it, is there oxygen in that bottle it's in? Yes. There's no significant increase in oxidation between the time it comes out of the bottle. So the oil reacts with the oxygen, but then he says it oxidizes the beard...

Tell the truth, are you the guy in the video (or associated with him)?

 

[mattbikes1]

This is a perfect illustration of the massive demand from the masses in search of a better shave. We should all consider ourselves fortunate that we have found something that is time tested and works. Not that this guy's method doesn't. We have seen it with our own eyes, or at least I did. However, I bet that this doesn't work for many men. I also bet that the products that this guys is using are more expensive than buying all of your shaving gear at an AOS store. Lastly, I bet that this guy is making some money with this line of products.

 

[Cheech]

I'm usually pretty skeptical when a demonstrator uses their own products. It appears he is using his own products.

That being said, I get the 90 degree thing, given the razor he's using. If you look carefully, the head pivots in an odd way and the angle counteracts that. (At least I'll assume its a weird way, multi-blades don't work for me.)

I agree that a heavy beard tends to shave more easily and cleanly, but it also is easier to see on camera. Look at Joel's recent video. It looks like he already shaved!

Maybe they work for him, and his clients. For me, shave oil doesn't work well. I prefer lathering creams. Just my preference, they feel and work well for me. I prefer to use a straight (with the occasional DE/SE experimentation); multi-blades just do a number on my skin. So, hey, whatever works for you. Its like philosophy: there's so much out there, take what works for you and leave the rest for others.

I can't believe no one commented on his hair. Maybe its just because I'm losing mine...

 

[theinternot]

edited...

Tell the truth, are you the guy in the video (or associated with him)?

That was exactly my thought.

 

[Atrin]

Think about it, is there oxygen in that bottle it's in? Yes. There's no significant increase in oxidation between the time it comes out of the bottle. So the oil reacts with the oxygen, but then he says it oxidizes the beard...

Tell the truth, are you the guy in the video (or associated with him)?

If I were the guy in the video, or associated with him, would I be saying there's "my hokey is better than his hokey"

It's all really hokey methods and products created and promoted by people who it worked for. It's just a matter of trying different things and seeing what works for you. I do apologize if that offends your belief that us wet shavers are somehow following a tradition deeply rooted in independent research and it is the only way to salvation.

I believe people should try everything and decide for themselves. It seems to me a lot of people here at Badger and Blade believe that anything archaic or made by some hobo who put vodka and sand together is automatically superior to evil corporations or anyone that wants to sell something. You know? As though because the hobo's ingredients are simple and down to earth, he is automatically an honest salesman.