Hey guys! Just posted a review I was working on this afternoon. Let me know what you think.
Thiers Issard Full Hollow 6/8 New Forging
Thiers Issard Full Hollow 6/8 New Forging
Thiers Issard 6/8 New Forging Review - Discussion Thread
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Nice review, and someone actually likes TI scales.
Thanks for the review, Hunter. A very handsome razor.
That looks like more of a 1/2 hollow than a full hollow. Is that just me or am I right?
based on your review i'm going to try & get my hands on one of those blades,
i have a ti spartacus model & it is an excellent blade so i'm hoping the new c135 lives up to all the hype, i'm really impressed with thiers at the moment,
i have a ti spartacus model & it is an excellent blade so i'm hoping the new c135 lives up to all the hype, i'm really impressed with thiers at the moment,
I would probably call it 3/4 to full hollow, but that is really subjective.
Calling it a full hollow is a big, big stretch, to say the least. Moreover, I checked Martin's description on www.rasurpur.de and I see that the razor is described as "Luxus-Einstiegsmesser", which means Luxury Entry-level Razor. If it is Full Hollow, it would have said "Vollhohles Messer". So, where did you get that it is full hollow? My guess is that it is 3/4 to full hollow.
I have the same razor 
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People don't like TI scales??
I gotta agree with orchestrion, I've never met anyone who didn't like TI's plastic scales. I actually think they're the best (plastic) scales out there, be it vintage or current production.
Great review, thanks for posting!
When you say that the blade "shaves just as well as an old W&B or Friodur" are you referring to how smooth the edge is?
I also like the TI plastic scales.
When you say that the blade "shaves just as well as an old W&B or Friodur" are you referring to how smooth the edge is?
I also like the TI plastic scales.
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Thanks! Yes, that's exactly what I meant. The blade take a sharp edge, but also provides a very smooth and comfortable shave.
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Actually Sputnik, on Rasurpur you'll see that they do have a TI that is specifically designated as 3/4 hollow. Furthermore, if you check the info page for this razor, Martin specifically says, "All razors on this page are extra hollow ground." Not that I'd agree with him about them being extra hollow ground, but if that's what he wants to call it...
Anyway guys, sorry, but I stand by my classification of full hollow. I don't know what kind of razors you're shaving with, but here are mine:
From left to right - 6/8 full hollow Bengall, 6/8 full hollow TI New Forging, 6/8 full hollow Zwillingswerk, 6/8 full hollow Wade & Butcher. I'm sure there are more full hollow blades out there than these, but these are all I've got to work with, and I calls 'em like I sees 'em.
At this point I'd like to take a step back, because I realize that I'm getting too worked up about this whole thing. I think that because all of the thousands of different kinds of razors out there each have their own unique grind, determining the difference between extra hollow, full hollow, and 3/4 hollow can be very subjective. At the end of the day, you can call your razors whatever you like, and I'll call mine whatever I like (even if no, it's probably not technically the proper term). If it makes you feel any better, according to this chart all of my razors are half hollow
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I guess rating is all subjective. To me the heel of the razor is a manufacturing defect. It certainly increases the flex of the blade, which I would like, but I would hate the look. The photos on the vendor's website show the intended design.
I think the etching is a carryover from older times when "Best Sheffield Silver Steel" may have had a meaning. Nowadays it's nothing more than decoration as TI labels (according to them) the exact same steel in different ways.
I think the etching is a carryover from older times when "Best Sheffield Silver Steel" may have had a meaning. Nowadays it's nothing more than decoration as TI labels (according to them) the exact same steel in different ways.
I have the new forgings 5/8's in Ebony scales that Martin sells. It is well put together. The scales are very appealing and the blade is businesslike in appearance but made well. The edge is comfortably sharp and long lasting. The shave feel is different from earlier forgings but the results are outstanding. A new forgings 6/8's with a square point is on my list of next acquisitions.
That's a great chart, Huntmol. Thanks for the info. I'm going to have to check out my blades with it and see what I'm actually shaving with. 
I would respectfully disagree with you that you can call your razor what you want and I can call my razor what I want when it comes to a razor review posted on a public forum dedicated to shaving. There are accepted standards and people use designations precisely because they want to avoid confusions in descriptions. For example, I use 1914 J.A. Henckels catalog chart to determine the hollowness of a straight razor blade. Your chart reflects what the Straight Razor Place [SRP] uses for hollowness designation. Their chart is widely accepted. Therefore, based on the SRP chart, I would agree that all your razors are half-hollow.
At the end of the day, you can call your razors whatever you like, and I'll call mine whatever I like (even if no, it's probably not technically the proper term). If it makes you feel any better, according to this chart all of my razors are half hollow
There may be charts somewhere in the SRP wiki, but that does not mean they are the standard reference for all members of SRP. When you look at a razor and call the grind something, that is a subjective statement. Unless you have some precise tool to measure the width of the grind at various points and then match those measurements to some reference chart, it will always be subjective.
I can't tell you how many razors I have seen referred to as "wedges" here, on SRP, and elsewhere that have distinct bevels and hone wear at the spines. A wedge has flat faces. Razors with bands of wear, no matter how wide those bands are, are only wedge like. No reason to go and tell these people there razors are not wedges, they simply use a different word to describe what they are seeing.
Now it seems the same is happening at the hollow end of the spectrum. In my mind, the debate here is of no more use than the one on the wedge end of the grind spectrum. I mean really, if you can see photos of the grind, who cares what someone else calls it (so long as what they say is relatively close)?
Yes, I'm one of those people. I had TI scales that were uneven in length. I know working with resins is difficult but that is unacceptable given the price of these razors. I replaced it with ebony wood scales.People don't like TI scales??
I believe there should be some standards and/or approximations. But, you are right, people drown in semantics while a picture is often worth a thousand words!
