I really appreciate all the encouragement and tips i have been receiving, it really was a breakthrough day for me today. i finally relaxed and got in to the flow and was able to shave my whole face. this was probably my sixth shave and i have been generally shaving my cheeks only and playing around with other areas to begin to figure out angles and such. decided to spend the time today to cover the whole face no matter how long it took. I finally started taking confident strokes and with the success i got it really kept the momentum rolling and i got a great feel for the blade. It took about 4 passes all wtg but in the end i was able to wrap it up without using my DE. I guess what really pleases and confuses me is that the smoothest parts of my face are my upper lip and chin which i gather from reading here can be the worst areas to shave, I must be blessed with good terrain to shave in these areas. well enough raving and thanks again, sorry but it seems that you will have to wait for the bargain Le Grelot to show up on BST for a while.