I really want to grab one of those Russian Bear hot tents. Ive got a sweet tent stove but no tent yet. Just cant decide which hot tent to grab.
Tarp tents / camping
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One bushcrafty-kinda tarp, finished.
Refused to invest time wax-treating this canvas, as it's a bit small. So I sprayed a can of Gorilla brand clear rubber sealant on it. It says it does fabric. Also, half a can of silicone I had for good measure, then some spray paint. Between the three, ought to keep off a surprise shower - which is all it's intended for.
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Refused to invest time wax-treating this canvas, as it's a bit small. So I sprayed a can of Gorilla brand clear rubber sealant on it. It says it does fabric. Also, half a can of silicone I had for good measure, then some spray paint. Between the three, ought to keep off a surprise shower - which is all it's intended for.
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For group camping, we would sometimes use Visqueen (sp) which is just poly sheet used for construction, etc. Instead of grommets, the lines were secured using little hollow rubber balls with the tarp material wrapped around and secured with a noose. Cheap and cheerful.
I prefer something bug-proof for sleeping nowadays.
I prefer something bug-proof for sleeping nowadays.
Just to expand a little on this @Ad Astra which I think is still relevant to your great thread.
Here are some photos of the emergency poncho shelter. There is a floor as mentioned above also.
We trialled it summer before last. Its part of a work in progress of what we call the Modular Universal Survival Unit (great name lol)
This involves two cans each person, 6"x 4"x 2" cans, one with firemaking equipment, water purification and storage, cutting tools, directional equipment (button compass) lighting, consisting of rechargable mini torch with strobe (about 300 lumens and the size of a AA battery) emergency blanket (part of the shelter system). Second can consists of first aid equipment and food (2x tea bags, buillion cube, dextrose tablets and 1 sachet of instant oatmeal) This is proving fun to assemble and figure out. Both cans are connected by 2 ranger bands.
The Ponchos and 2x3m tarp provide the shelter element. The MilTec ponchos are amazingly light and pack flat, weigh about a pound. We carry them anyway, so incredibly versatile so it seemed a good idea to create a good emergency shelter with them. 3 ultra light alloy stakes and about 10 feet of Atwood micro cord go into each poncho bag.
Here is the Poncho shelter set up on a trial run
Guy who needed to lose a stone modelling shelter for scale. I'm 5 8" so gives an idea. (He subsequently did lose a stone. The perils of good living)
Ideally to be pitched via a ridgeline of microcord, between two trees ideally about 12-15 feet apart. Sloppy initial pitch but we managed to get it much tighter and thus roomier in subsequent setups.
Needed to guy it out better there, but a first run. Note roominess. Perfect for 2 people. Also stealthy.
Detail of poncho roof shelter when clipped together. Fold in, then clip. This arrangement makes a weatherproof top seal. The ridgeline runs under nicely.
The sacks are the poncho hoods. They can be sealed via the drawstring arrangement as used as hoods.
The ponchos have about 5 feet of cordage which is used to tighten the poncho around the body when worn. Co-incidentally they make excellent guy lines to maximise internal room when guyed out in shelter mode.
Internal pic, giving an idea of space.
Another view.
This is a work in progress, including can kit assembly. With the floor this should make a highly livable space for 2. The space blankets act as makeshift sleeping bags.
We will be trying them out overnight in the next couple of months, when our woodland is open again for the season. I will provide links to products if interested.
The whole setup including cans weighs about 2.5 lbs each. I carry the floor which weighs an extra 1 lb but hugely improves the shelter. I can't expect the Mrs to carry everything lol. Ponchos and cans are easily carried in our daybags and can be split into pocket carry if wearing a good jacket and cargos.
I hope this post is relevant to a tarp thread!
Oh, and by the way, on the grommets busting issue. Here is Coalcracker (the BEST bushcraft teacher, he has a way of making a 4 minute video tip that you remember forever) with a brilliant solution to massively reinforce even the cheapest tarp..
I hope this post helped to amuse and get some extra insights onto tarps and the wonderful poncho!
I will set up a seperate thread documenting our gear assembly and progress with photos. It may be helpful and entertaining to others interested in outdoor fun.
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@Alum Ladd Simon, totally relevant and the European perspective is especially appreciated! (Our next generation kids in Northern Italy were camping in snow around Christmas, would have really enjoyed being with them! One day.) We're watching the same guys; love Dan/Coalcracker but hadn't seen that one, thanks.
Shawn/Corporal's Corner uses GI ponchos and the Swagman poncho/liner a lot, in order to create improvised shelters. In cold weather I always have a "woobie", slang for poncho liner. Emergency poncho always in kit but I'd rather get wet than unwrap it, lol.
Good luck with the MUSU kit. Seems like a variation on the 24-hour or get home bag. Bouillon is great, packing Japanese soup powders in mine. Bouillon added to rice is easy eats!
Planning a dark sky astronomy trip soon. Ironically, bears are probably a greater threat on my local dayhike than the deep woods; good old boys up there will eat them, whilst local housewives here will drop the bag of trash and scream at them. And these garbage bears are bigger than the woodsy ones. Hence tarps; I want a shelter that's easier access...
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Shawn/Corporal's Corner uses GI ponchos and the Swagman poncho/liner a lot, in order to create improvised shelters. In cold weather I always have a "woobie", slang for poncho liner. Emergency poncho always in kit but I'd rather get wet than unwrap it, lol.
Good luck with the MUSU kit. Seems like a variation on the 24-hour or get home bag. Bouillon is great, packing Japanese soup powders in mine. Bouillon added to rice is easy eats!
Planning a dark sky astronomy trip soon. Ironically, bears are probably a greater threat on my local dayhike than the deep woods; good old boys up there will eat them, whilst local housewives here will drop the bag of trash and scream at them. And these garbage bears are bigger than the woodsy ones. Hence tarps; I want a shelter that's easier access...
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Great explanation on the grommets and attachment points! I also prefer tarps without grommets for the same reason—they tend to be more durable. I use a poly tarp with bar-tacked loops, which makes it really versatile for setting up various shelters. Bankline is my go-to for tie-downs because it's strong and compact. I camp using a canvas tarp when I don't mind the weight, but poly tarps when I need to consider the weight and when I carry more weight than usual. Anyone have tips on their favorite tarp configurations?Sure, though I'm a rookie/learner at tarps. It's a bushcraft thing.
Some hold that grommets weaken the tarp, so the one I bought (nylon, top) has bar-tacked attachment points.
They can be made into many types of shelter - many x many - using natural features or situations you come across. You wind up with a lot of stakes and lines, though you can make stakes. And the line can be a long roll of bankline.
Just more versatile than a tent, which is always ... a tent.
Some ideas:
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Tie off the hoods with their cinch strings to keep water out. You could go half as tall and twice as wide to get all your rucks/gear under there too with more room to spread out for both. Run the ridge line diagonally across both for more coverage again.
For the canvas/fabric crews, if I can find it again there’s a dude on YouTube that does a paraffin/something mix. Melt and mix, fold up the tarp, pour over, paint roller press through the layers, flip it, same on that side, let it dry, touch up as needed. Pretty easy looking. He did bedsheets for serious lightweight waterproof tarps.
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Thinner or BLO (boiled linseed oil) and paraffin... For the cost/time/effort I didn't, but many have.
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I used to run a space blanket with the Cho liner to get better heat retention and threw it outside the Cho liner to keep it dryer.
There are also more durable Mylar/tarp combos that work well for ground cloths to insulate agains heat loss to the ground, if not using good pads. I’m too old to sleep on the ground anymore, but I like a waterproof/resistant ground cloth regardless, if it gets wet out.
Another technique is to dig shallow trenches at the edges of the tarp with a run off trench downslope to keep water out and around the tarp vs under it