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"shaving waivers"??

I’ve been serving in the Air Force for nearly ten years now and in that time I’ve come across many guys with…dare I say it…”shaving waivers”
You get one of these if daily shaving irritates your skin bad enough. I know some people are much more prone to shaving bumps and irritation then others but it seems like the last couple years I’ve been seeing more and more guys in uniform sporting stubble. And not just the Air Force either, I’ve worked extensively with the Army and Navy and seen it in their ranks as well.
This “shaving waiver” thing really irks me, especially now that I’ve expanded my knowledge on the subject by joining this community. I lived for years shaving my face with the typical cartridge razors or electric razors and had just excepted the mild irritation and unpleasantness of it as the cost of doing business. Now that I’m learning the art of straight razor shaving my whole outlook has changed. Even before my first razor arrived in the mail I spent two weeks using a cheap brush and some Col Conks soap w/ a cartridge razor and my shave quality and skin condition improved greatly. I think if these guys were to make a change in their shaving methods they would more than likely be in the same boat I am.

Any other service members noticed this trend in their respective units?
 
understandable.
not everyone can achieve perfect daily shaves, but for military members, it's part of the job description! A job we volunteered for. and it seems like the last 2-3 years it's becoming more common.
 
Well I'm one of the guys that write the shaving waivers ( we call them chits), although we do not write many. I only write them for guys who get bad irritation on a regular bases to avoid skin infection which can lead to staph. I have had irritation and razor burn while in the field many times, you just suck it up. I tell my guys who do get it often to try to use a pre shave, most do not follow my advice though. I can say this though it is much more common for African Americans due to their hair being much thicker.

I am a Navy Corpsman who is attached to a Marine unit, I have always noticed that the Navy ( blue side) is much more tolerable than the Marine Corps ( green side ).
 
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like I said,
it's part of the job description! A job we volunteered for. .

contrary to popular belief, nobody is swindled into signing that dotted line. I've heard plenty of stories about recruiters promising young guys the world, but I've never seen a recruiter who wasn't the absolute epitome of dress and appearance excellence to include their face, why, because that’s part of the job. I'm not saying that all guys with the waivers dont need them, but many who have them could negate their problems with a bit of research and effort.
 

JCinPA

The Lather Maestro
At the risk of sounding curmudgeonly ... who am I kidding, I'm a card carrying master curmudgeon :rolleyes:, I agree with the OP and the responders who say this is B.S. I was on active duty from 1982 to 1992, so it's been a while, but the only guys who got waivers, pretty much, were African American men who had lots of trouble with ingrowns. Nobody had to be BBS and they were not inspecting your shave that close. To not use a cartridge in a simple WTG SAS routine is inexcusable in my opinion unless you have a serious skin problem. I shaved every day and it was often not fun in the tropics, that's for sure. So you lighten up on the shave quality a little bit, nobody got in trouble for 5 o'clock shadow as long as they looked clean shaven in the morning.

This is just another example of general molly coddling in society in general. I am disappointed to hear the shaving waiver use is going up. I will say I have not seen any unkempt looking servicemen in airports in my travels. I am wondering how widespread this really is? Of course it would be more noticeable living on base with lot of G.I.s
 

Slash McCoy

I freehand dog rockets
A young man considering a military career should know that daily shaving is part of the routine. He should also know if he can or can't shave daily. Inability to shave should be considered a disqualifying handicap every bit as much as an inability to tie one's shoes. I know that sounds hard, but it's not supposed to be easy. What next... recruiting the wheelchair-bound? Downs Syndrome? Deaf, or Blind? Why can't we make allowances for people with these disabilities, too? I say if you can't do what the military expects you to do, then don't join in the first place. Some will protest and argue but I don't care. That's my logical opinion and others are free to disagree and I don't care if my opinion makes me seem like a big old meanie.
 
You don't see too many Marines with shaving chits (waivers). I'm not sure if it's a service-specific trend, but I can say that generally the only Marines I've seen with these chits had severe ingrown hairs or skin conditions. Otherwise, it's just the price of entry, if you will. I remember my drill instructors teaching us how to properly shave in boot camp and that was the first time anyone told me that I had to shave in multiple directions in order to attain an acceptable shave. While I don't think Parris Island is the place to experiment with technique, it definitely created a steep learning curve!
 
well the marines tends to attract a bit tougher type of individual than the chair force. so issues of this type may very by service. I understand African American guys having a harder time with this. I've work with guys that you could see the shaving bumps from a distance. but when I see young white guys with baby smooth skin, no irritation , and two day's growth that upsets me.

the Air Force has the most stringent entry criteria, from test scores all the way to physical/health conditions. there's often times a waiting list to enlist.. there's no reason why if recruiters can be picky about the tattoos that potential recruits have then they can be picky about shaving.

glad to see some agree
 
Well I'm one of the guys that write the shaving waivers ( we call them chits), although we do not write many. I only write them for guys who get bad irritation on a regular bases to avoid skin infection which can lead to staph. I have had irritation and razor burn while in the field many times, you just suck it up. I tell my guys who do get it often to try to use a pre shave, most do not follow my advice though. I can say this though it is much more common for African Americans due to their hair being much thicker.

I am a Navy Corpsman who is attached to a Marine unit, I have always noticed that the Navy ( blue side) is much more tolerable than the Marine Corps ( green side ).

I was active duty USAF Pharmacy Officer for the entire decade of the 1970's. We saw a few "shaving wavers" back then, mostly for blacks and the beard could not exceed the length of a long stubble. It was always for those who had severe ingrown hairs and faces covered with bumps. I think the condition was called Pseudofolliculitis barbae. treatment that was put forth then was to give them a surgical scrub brush and do brush the face & beard numerous times througout the day in one direction.

I had mild ingrown hairs and tried the brushing treatment, and being a white guy it did not take long to correct the problem. I probably have not had an ingrown hair in over 30 years.
 
As an Active Duty member, I hate shaving waivers. The only shaving waivers I've seen were from African Americans. A big problem with their beard growth is that the hairs want to curl real quick. So it they cut the hair below the skin, like a modern Gillette will do, an ingrown hair is much more likely. Anytime I see one, I try to talk to the guys about the benefits of DE shaving and how it can help with ingrowns. I have yet to convert anyone for that reason though.
 
A young man considering a military career should know that daily shaving is part of the routine. He should also know if he can or can't shave daily. Inability to shave should be considered a disqualifying handicap every bit as much as an inability to tie one's shoes. I know that sounds hard, but it's not supposed to be easy. What next... recruiting the wheelchair-bound? Downs Syndrome? Deaf, or Blind? Why can't we make allowances for people with these disabilities, too? I say if you can't do what the military expects you to do, then don't join in the first place. Some will protest and argue but I don't care. That's my logical opinion and others are free to disagree and I don't care if my opinion makes me seem like a big old meanie.

Issues with shaving =/ disability and comparing them to mental/physical disabilities which actually could hinder performance of the job is ridiculous. I do think that you can and should be required to shave on a daily basis and if you are unable to due to a medical condition then every avenue of correction should be explored. That includes wetshaving.
 
Well I'm one of the guys that write the shaving waivers ( we call them chits), although we do not write many. I only write them for guys who get bad irritation on a regular bases to avoid skin infection which can lead to staph. I have had irritation and razor burn while in the field many times, you just suck it up. I tell my guys who do get it often to try to use a pre shave, most do not follow my advice though. I can say this though it is much more common for African Americans due to their hair being much thicker.

I am a Navy Corpsman who is attached to a Marine unit, I have always noticed that the Navy ( blue side) is much more tolerable than the Marine Corps ( green side ).
Make them watch shaving videos. :biggrin1:
 
If your not wearing a gasmask I don't see why anyone should care.

These guys should irritate their faces for the sake of irritating their faces or because you had to?

It's funny to me when guys get entrenched and sanctimonious about policy without thinking about the reasons or circumstances in which the policy was implemented in the first place.

Ambrose Burnside would be disappoint.




and Sherman, Sterwart, McClellan, Grant, Lee.... The military even had the audacity to name installations after those scrubs...

Why don't you bring this issue up with the Special Forces which are granted exemptions instead of posturing on the webs? I'd love to see their reaction to your judgmental opinions.
 
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