New Standard with Odd Head. What is it?

[MSstrahan]

In my efforts to find an uncracked New Standard to put in my perfect Bostonian case, I bought this thing, hoping it would clean up. I don't think I got what I wanted, though. It's got a handle like a New Standard, complete with the 1920 patent date on it, but the head isn't right. The base plate isn't flat across the middle like a New Standard, and there's no serial number on it anywhere. The top is almost like a top from an old type, though the threaded stem is just a bit too long to fit one of my old types.

Another oddity is the tarnish on the head and the bottom knob. It comes off with silver polish, and bubbles form all over it when treated with the aluminum foil and baking soda soak, but I cannot get it back to silver, even after several soaks. I don't want to keep rubbing it with silver polish. The handle itself cleaned up nicely. Any ideas to try next?

The below pics include an old type for reference, and below them I link to a pic of a New Standard head so that you can see the difference. Anyone know what I have? Thanks.

 

[alex2363]

That dont look right......

 

[alex2363]

 

[alex2363]

That knob is from a English model.....

 

[DutchmanRiver]

uuhhh that is weird something like an oldtype head on a new handle.. never saw such combination before. the endknob is from a bulldog. so maybe the head was adopted from that bulldog too...

 

[alex2363]

Bulldog handle

 

[alex2363]

1A-863912A (USA) 102a cap= 1921 era

 

[MSstrahan]

uuhhh that is weird something like an oldtype head on a new handle.. never saw such combination before. the endknob is from a bulldog. so maybe the head was adopted from that bulldog too...

I don't see how you could press a new head into the handle without cracking the thin handle. I think the head is original to the handle. The knob and top plate, maybe not.

I've shaved with this thing, and it works, but is quite aggressive. Not something I'd prefer to use every day.

 

[DutchmanRiver]

often the head part and the handle is loose even without a hairline crack on the handle. both parts are just glued

 

[MSstrahan]

often the head part and the handle is loose even without a hairline crack on the handle. both parts are just glued

Do you mean they are glued from the factory, or do you mean that you think they were later fixed via gluing? If they were glued from the factory, any idea how to get them apart? Suppose I found the correct head and knob on a cracked handle. Could I swap in this handle?

 

[DutchmanRiver]

Do you mean they are glued from the factory, or do you mean that you think they were later fixed via gluing? If they were glued from the factory, any idea how to get them apart? Suppose I found the correct head and knob on a cracked handle. Could I swap in this handle?

they were glued by the factory and sometimes because of less glue or any other reason both parts loosen. i suppose that with a pliers and light preasure screwing both parts could loosen too. but you have to be very very carefully you should protect it with cloth. but you should leave it as it is.. i think it is the best you can do

 

[MSstrahan]

they were glued by the factory and sometimes because of less glue or any other reason both parts loosen. i suppose that with a pliers and light preasure screwing both parts could loosen too. but you have to be very very carefully you should protect it with cloth. but you should leave it as it is.. i think it is the best you can do

I bet I'd end up cracking the handle. Oh well. Wonder what the head is actually from. It's got a Gillette logo stamped on the bottom, along with Made in USA. The underside of the baseplate is flat across the middle, like a New Standard, but the top of the baseplate has a curve that matches the top plate, unlike the New Standard. What Gillette razor had a long stem on the top plate, three holes, and a base plate like this one, with no serial numbers on the head?

 

[MSstrahan]

Is it a bulldog head and knob on a New Standard handle?

 

[alex2363]

Fraken razor

 

[alex2363]

I bet I'd end up cracking the handle. Oh well. Wonder what the head is actually from. It's got a Gillette logo stamped on the bottom, along with Made in USA. The underside of the baseplate is flat across the middle, like a New Standard, but the top of the baseplate has a curve that matches the top plate, unlike the New Standard. What Gillette razor had a long stem on the top plate, three holes, and a base plate like this one, with no serial numbers on the head?

1903 to early/mid 1904 Old Types

 

[amishmotorboat]

Alex, those do not have a baseplate like that one.

 

[MSstrahan]

It would have to be something that fits the thicker handle of the New Standard, unless you think someone went to the trouble of keeping the neck from the New Standard, and somehow putting a head on the New Standard neck. If so, someone went to a lot of work, and did a good job. All the joints have survived several dips in boiling baking soda/aluminum foil.

 

[alex2363]

Alex, those do not have a baseplate like that one.

i know, i meant to say that those were not numbered .

 

[alex2363]

That is a 1920's Old Type head......

 

[MSstrahan]

That is a 1920's Old Type head......

But how did they get it on the thicker neck/handle of the New Standard? Can the heads be popped off the neck and reattached to another neck?