Naniwa 3k/10k combo?

[cj121]

Has anyone experience of this combo as SWMBO has kindly offered to make contribution towards present soon and I have been reading lots on the forum as to various single and combination stones.

Obviously the Norton4k/8k gets a big thmbs up in most quarters, but I am considering the Naniwa 3k/10k combo to hopefully cover my initial needs as a newb. I have a barber's hone on the way for touch ups, but am not in posession of any finishers or pasted strops/kit.

Any thoughts gentlemen?

I can be pursuaded and swayed by experience and input of course

 

[Slartibartfast]

I do not think I have seen the 3k/10k.

I have a 3k/8k I use with no problems though.

 

[taffy]

I do not think I have seen the 3k/10k.

I have a 3k/8k I use with no problems though.

Same here

 

[jendeindustries]

+1 on the combo numbers...

3K to 10K is ok if you maximize the 3K edge before the 10K.

 

[cj121]

Whoops, sorry chaps, I should have posted a link..

Here it is

My enquiry was really to explore whether this combo would serve me to both set bevels and achieve an acceptable finish from the same stone.

I hear what you're saying jende, and I guess that might come with experience.

Reading between the lines, the jump from 3k to 10k might be too much for a newb to manage.

 

[TstebinsB]

Whoops, sorry chaps, I should have posted a link..

Here it is

My enquiry was really to explore whether this combo would serve me to both set bevels and achieve an acceptable finish from the same stone.

I hear what you're saying jende, and I guess that might come with experience.

Reading between the lines, the jump from 3k to 10k might be too much for a newb to manage.

The #3000 grit is too fine to set the bevel. Depending on the characteristics of the stone, #800 to #1500 is more appropriate. Also, the jump from #3000 to #10000 is too large. I'd add something like a #6000.

Matter of fact, I just bought the regular Ohishi #1000/#6000 for $47 shipped. I'm getting it in the mail today. It would be a perfect compliment to the Naniwa. I can let you know whether it's a good buy after I've used it a bit.

Another option that I gave serious consideration a while back is to buy the Naniwa #800/#5000 and #3000/#10000. It covers everything. If you can afford it, that would be a nice setup as well.

EDIT: I got my Ohishi stone. I checked the sales receipt and they charged me $15.30 for what was really a $5 shipping fee. I don't know what kind of handling fee costs $10 so I'd pass on that vendor.

 

[LessLemming]

You should make up your mind first about what your gonna do with your new stone.
Are you going to restore old blades? Are you going to resharpen your blades?
Or are you in for occassional touch up with only slight bevel "reset"?

The 3k/10k kombination stone from Naniwa Superstone (veeeery uncommon in the US. I bought a 2k/5k Superstone combo from them and can verify: It´s the superstones.) is a very interesting fella.
I know people in Germany who own and use this combination stone
for keeping their own razors sharp.

If the edge starts to loose sharpnes, they use the 10k side for touch ups,
followed by some diamond on felt or Cr2O3.
If that doesn´t help, they work the bevel on the 3k side.
The 3k is able to repair minor damage (due to wear) in my opinion.
But it might take some time. The difficulty is you must not use pressure.
Why is that? Because if you use pressure on the 3k side,
you will have to reduce the increased ammount of teeth and chips occouring.
But you just don´t have much stone (ie cutting power) left.
Your only option for refinement is the 10k, which is slow (because of its fineness).

So what you want to do is work the bevel on the 3k (make sure you´re hitting the right angle),
and then move up to the 10k for refinement.
You may want to increase the angle by one tape on the 10k for a double bevel.
It makes things faster and more easy.

Strop on a paste (or shave from the stone, if you wish) and see what happens.

This works for the 3k 8k SS as well.

I own a 3k and a 8k and 10k SS (single stones) and can tell you
that neither of the latter is really capable of removing the 3k scratches.
You won´t get a perfect polish, but you might get a decent edge!
You might just as well think about a whole set of Naniwa Super:
a 1k, a 5k and an 8k Superstone

 

[Steelforge]

I know this is an old thread, but I just bought the Naniwa 3K/10K hone mentioned by cj121, from the same shop.

Delivery was fast, it took 3 days from ordering to be delivered to the UK from Netherlands.

I bought it purely so I would have a single stone for maintaining a small number of good condition razors. I also took 3 razors which were not shave ready yesterday, and brought them all to a superb shaving condition with maybe 20 minutes work total.

As LessLemming mentioned above, I think these are fine for maintenance honing. I'll use the 10K side for touch-ups, and add in the 3K side in a pyramid if the 10K no longer cuts it on its own. Yes, maybe the 10K is a little too fine to perfectly polish out all of the scratches from the 3K, but if it produces a fine shaving edge then personally I don't care what it looks like under a microscope.

 

[LessLemming]

You should try to create little slurry on your 10k side.
I find that increases the polishing power and makes the 10k cut faster.
Dilute slightly then finish with water only.
This usually gives me very good edges