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Modern Williams, a moment of clarity

Recently I shaved with modern Williams every day for 10 straight mornings to finish off what was left of a puck that I had lying around after using it during "a week of Williams” some time ago. I’ve also been reading the comments regarding Williams soap in the item of the week thread. So, I came to some conclusions and thought I would speak to the mysticism surrounding this soap.

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The Good::thumbup1:

1. If you are unfamiliar with this mythical brand, it is much talked about here at B&B and also the bestselling shaving soap (I think Topgumby once asked for sales stats from the manufacturer and had numbers that showed this). The brand has apparently been around since 1840, so you get an opportunity to use something that has been around for over 1.5 centuries – which is rare today.

2. Modern Williams can be had easily in many North American brick and mortar stores. It is very easy to find and purchase on a whim.

3. A puck only costs about $1 and certainly less than $2.

4. It is kind of fun to try out, and easy enough to do that.

The Bad::a24:

1. Okay, let’s face it, this isn’t vintage Williams. They have reformulated and turned modern Williams into something that only resembles the original shaving soap in terms of looks, but simply isn’t recognizable in terms of performance. Yes, the name is the same, but we are buying a very different product today than was available in the middle of the 20[SUP]th[/SUP] century.

2. This is not a good way to learn how to make lather! We often suggest that this soap is great because it is so tough to work with that it allows us to hone our lather making skills. I thought this too, but it isn’t. The effort and techniques needed to maximize lather from modern Williams would at the least be wasted on better soaps and at the worst would ruin them. Adding glycerin, fully soaking the puck in hot water before using it, building lather right on the puck as if bowl lathering, loading for an endless amount of time before face lathering, or any other over the top method is of no use if you are using P.160 or DR Harris or any other quality product. Using more product is a good idea, but there is a limit to this too.

3. All we learn as our modern Williams technique improves is to view mediocrity as an accomplishment. It never really gets good, just more usable at best. The lather is unstable. If you use bad lathering technique or don’t pull out all the stops, the lather is very unstable. If all goes as well as possible, the lather is still more unstable than we would tolerate from any other product.

4. It is not all that much more easily purchased than better options. To the average schmuck, this puck is easy to find. But, if all you do is shop at brick and mortar stores, you can still very easily find Col Conk, VDH, and Proraso/CO Bigelow products – all of which are stellar performers compared to modern Williams.

5. It is not actually that cheap! Yes, the initial purchase price is low, but the per shave cost is not really that much of a bargain.
- Say modern Williams costs about $1.50 per puck, since the pucks are actually only 50g that works out to be 3c per gram. Because you load endlessly and often have to reload the brush mid shave, it is not unreasonable to use 3g of Williams per shave (in the 3017 thread I averaged 3.5g/shave). So, the average price per shave ends up being around 9c.
- Proraso, on the other hand, still has a fairly low initial purchase price and goes for around $8 a container. But, since Proraso tubs are 150g, that works out to 5.3c per gram. At a generous 2g per shave for this product, the price works out to 10.6c per shave. There are other Italian soaps available for even less.
- So, for a whole year of shaving every day:
Modern Williams = $32.85​
Proraso Soap Jar = $40.15​
Difference saved with Williams over the course of an entire year only = $7.30 max.​

6. It’s terrible. There are many other products much more deserving of your shave!



So, shave with modern Williams to get an “I can lather modern Williams” badge, but then buy something that is actually pleasurable to use and crafted by a company who has bothered to make a quality product.
 
But I can lather modern Williams... I like the challenge every once in a while, but I use it as a pre shave when I have no time limit. I lathered up some Williams and put a hot towel over it and then shave with whatever soap I'm using. Good results!!!
 
But I can lather modern Williams... I like the challenge every once in a while, but I use it as a pre shave when I have no time limit. I lathered up some Williams and put a hot towel over it and then shave with whatever soap I'm using. Good results!!!
:lol: So collect your badge at the door.

I can make lather out of egg whites, but the point is that buying a puck of Tabac is probably a better option:laugh:
 

luvmysuper

My elbows leak
Staff member
To be fair, for some - lathering Williams is not difficult. I also like the way my face feels after a Williams shave.
But I get your point and can respect your opinion on it.
 

OldSaw

The wife's investment
Recently I shaved with modern Williams every day for 10 straight mornings to finish off what was left of a puck that I had lying around after using it during "a week of Williams” some time ago. I’ve also been reading the comments regarding Williams soap in the item of the week thread...

...So, shave with modern Williams to get an “I can lather modern Williams” badge, but then buy something that is actually pleasurable to use and crafted by a company who has bothered to make a quality product.

Sounds like a very fair assessment.
 
Here, let me sum it up for you a little more concisely

Williams sux.......

I would rather grow a beard than use Williams again (after sticking it out for a full week with it)

nuf said
 
Sounds like a very fair assessment.

Thanks, I don't hate the product, so I wasn't looking to rant. I just gave the soap a really good thorough trial with an open mind and came to the conclusion that.... well I think Turtle put it most eloquently.

It takes a little longer to lather, but I think it's a good soap. You can do much worse than modern Williams.

Interesting idea - what would you suggest is the worst performing shaving soap that is routinely talked about here on B&B?
 
Off the top of my head...Mystic Waters, LEA cream, Edwin Jagger soap (the cream is quite good, but I chucked the soap). Mama Bears soaps almost fall into that category, but not quite.
 
Williams. It was the first soap I used when I ventured into mug, soap, & brush shaving back in the 80's with a Trac-II. I still use it occasionally but I tend to agree with most. Williams is an OK soap. Other descriptors... meh, mediocre, get's the job done. That's about it. I could easily use Williams anytime, anywhere if that is all I had. But I can also say the same for Ivory or Dial bath soap. I sure prefer some much finer soaps (Tabac, Cella, MWF, etc.) but Williams holds a historic/heritage reputation and has a place in the den.
 

luvmysuper

My elbows leak
Staff member
meh.
If they increased the price tenfold and sold it in a ceramic bowl, folks would be comparing it to MWF.
Except for the scent, they are very similar products.
 
meh.
If they increased the price tenfold and sold it in a ceramic bowl, folks would be comparing it to MWF.
Except for the scent, they are very similar products.

I can get a good lather with it but I enjoy using other products more than Williams. The ticket is to keep feeding it water, more water than you think it needs. Then it will build a nice lather for you.

They could put it in a sold 24k gold dish weighing 35 lbs and sell it for $1 and I still would have to pass
 
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