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LBYM: Living Below Your Means

Back in the 90's (remember those?), I used to read a thread on a forum for those interested in Living Below Your Means. There were two primary motivations for participation in that thread. The first and obvious one was for people whose finances were out of control and they were struggling to get out of debt. The second one was more philosophical and had to do with valuing non-material things over material ones. For those who started off participating for the former reason, the latter one nearly always came to be important as well.

Much of the thread was filled with specifics about how to save money as well as discussions around the best approaches to LBYM. What I always liked about that forum was that there were people on it who made very little money and others who made quite a bit. What we all had in common was the resolve not to throw away every nickle we earned. Over time, people would post about finally getting out of debt and starting to save for the first time in their lives. Those were deeply satisfying moments.

To get started then, why not post one or two of the things you do to help you LBYM or a success story of a strategy that helped you get out of debt? I'll go first and, since I'm the OP, will pick the most obvious tip.

With one exception, every car we've owned as a family has been at least 2 years old. These are the years of greatest depreciation in a new car and letting someone else take that hit makes good financial sense. Historically, that depreciation for most cars (it varies) is 20% per year for the first two years and 10%/year thereafter. One of my co-workers spent 50k on a new car. He's single with no kids and can afford it, but the depreciation alone in year 1 was 10k and in year 2 was 8k. In two years, he lost 18k in depreciation alone. Up until Jan, 2012, his depreciation alone was more than I've spent in 20 years on any single vehicle. His insurance rates and taxes were also higher because it was a luxury car. This is money you'll never, ever get back.

Resist the new car smell and buy used. Don't trade in your car every few years, drive it for ten and fix it when it breaks. You'll save thousands right from the start.
 
Of course, there are big differences in different cultures, when it comes to being a consumer.

I've always had a bit different view on these things, even in my own country. The "LBYM" seems like an obvious choice for me. So far, I've never even had to get in to debt, for example. In my case, it doesn't indacate, that I would have a priviledged background, either.

But I guess it all comes to keeping the irrational consumer inside of us all in check. Meaning - having a budget or some other way to control the way how you spend money.

There's a nice software called You Need A Budget, which can help you to do it (little bit in a way, like you would have a "budget coach" almost): http://www.youneedabudget.com/ - also, if you like podcasts, they have one of those, too.
 
I spent many years living above what I made...credit cards were my friends and all the companies seemed to want to give me one. Then I woke up one morning and realized that all I was paying on the cards was the interest. I owed over $30k on the credit cards alone. I was having to roll balances from card to card every month in order to appear to be paying anything on them. I had missed a few payments so they bumped my rates up into the 20s, and the interest was eating my lunch. I had my moment of clarity, and realized I had to make some changes. Here's what I did...granted I was single at the time so I had some options available to me that I wouldn't have had if I had a family to take care of.


  • Realized I had to finally pay a car off. I had been trading for something else every year or year and a half for the last 10 or so years - and never put anything down on the new car. I was so far upside down on the car that it was cheaper to keep what I had and pay it off rather than trade for something cheaper.
  • Got a second job.
  • Down-sized from the place where I lived and cut my rent by about 30%.
  • Between the second job and saving on the rent I could pay minimums on all the cards again plus a little bit. So I started sending minimums to everyone and then paying the extra on the card with the smallest balance. Once I paid that card off, I moved all the money I had been paying on that card to the card with the next smallest balance. Once I was able to establish that I was paying regularly and on time again, I was able to work with the card companies to have them lower the interest rates that I was paying.

It took me 5 years of working on it, but I was able to get all the cards paid off. Now I only use credit cards on trips or in emergencies and make sure that they are promptly paid off. I also buy my cars used and drive them til the wheels fall off. The biggest change that I made during those 5 years was to change my mentality on finances. What I didn't mention above was that I accumulated the $30k in credit card debt over the course of about 3 years. Prior to that time, I had run up about $10k in credit card debt and had borrowed against my 401k to pay that off. So during the time I was paying off the credit cards, I was also having to repay my 401k. I'm living proof that you can dig out of the hole...it just takes time and a LOT of work.
 
Oh, one good article on the subject from The Fab Manual (there are other good ones in there, too): http://fabmanual.wordpress.com/2011/01/09/fabulous-financial-advice-6-tips-for-yuppies/

I wish everyone good luck, who are struggling with these things. The situation is getting more and more "American" even in the Nordic states here in Europe. Meaning the situation with credit and credit cards is getting out of hand, specially within the young adults. Everything changed less than ten years ago, when the credit and banking sector and the guidelines got changed, which meant, that even students earning nothing can get and are lured into getting credit cards. These changes also enabled loansharking by legimate companies, which provide "quick tips" for those in need via SMS etc.
 
We keep cars for years. Our son drives a '92 Protege to college, mine is a 2000 Taurus. The one exception is my wife's 2011 Wrangler, which she needed to work night shifts here in Pittsburgh. Roads aren't plowed for night shift nurses' convenience. We also use appliances till they need to be replaced. We had a microwave and a washer and dryer that lasted 25 years. It just makes sense to us to get our money's worth out of high ticket items.
 
My family has been doing this for quite some time, thanks to a wakeup call similar to Snarf's. Now, we don't use a credit card at anything except plane tickets and car rentals, and that's simply because of the car rental companies policy of holding an additional several days worth of fees when using debit card. Our problem was using our debit cards in day to day life. One of the main things that we do is use cash. We were overspending, so certain things got banned from the debit card, cash only. I was finding myself spending nearly $60 a week on lunches and coffee, because it was easy to order the large meal, and give a bigger tip to the waitress when I went to a sit down place. Now, I've limited myself to $40 cash per week. I still eat well. The difference is I usually order water instead of soda or whatever (instant $2 savings). Likewise, groceries and family eating out are cash only. We pull a specified amount out of the bank on payday and that has to last us for 2 weeks until we get paid again.
 
Despite having a good income, my wife and I have always lived close to the edge, with no savings to speak of (other than owning our own home). Since leaving the corporate world and starting my own business, it has gotten tighter. Now we're selling our second car because it's just not necessary. We cut back on travelling and we watch all of our expenses. I have even had to switch to instant coffee for most of my cups. I still treat myself to a good coffee in my Saeco at night, but that's just to keep my sanity in times of austerity. I think one of my best savings has been switching from a traditional landline to a VOIP service (Ooma - $4/month). Also, I negotiate with our cable provider every year and get 35-40% knocked off our bill for a one year term. I would cut the cable, but we have a tenant in the basement and cable is part of his package. While it is really stressful, it is also good to keep us aware of what is important and what is absolutely unnecessary. I used to dismiss a $5/month or $10/month expense, whereas now I think about what it totals up to and what I would love to buy with that money. I know that $10/month isn't much, but if I had $120 in hand right now, I would love to slap it down on a new BB Z10. Of course, that's just another aspect where I've had to learn to curb my spending.
 
some simple things (hard to accept at first but simple to do)

Stop your cable TV and go back to air channels. Watch more DVD. You can check out movies at your local public library.

Cut your cell plan back to a basic low minute voice only plan and stay within it. Keep your phone turned off and give everyone a land line number with an answering machine on it to grab missed calls. Trust me, you are not that invaluable that you need to be available 24/7/365. If your work/boss bitches ask your work to supply you with a phone or tell them to get in line with everyone else for your off hours time.

Cut your internet speed down to the lowest level (NOT DIALUP). If you have to go get a cup of coffee while a large file downloads enjoy the walk to the coffee pot.

If you own your own home, put a second layer of insulation in your attic to cut your heating/cooling bills and turn your thermostat down to 66/67 degrees in winter. Wear a long sleeve shirt or even a sweater at home rather than spend an extra $100-200 a month to sit around comfortably in your underwear. In summer keep your thermostat set as high as you can stand it (78/79) just to keep moisture down. Now you can set around in your underwear if you want. Get a programmable thermostat and turn your hvac off when you are at work and at night.

Stop eating out. EVERYWHERE. No more fast food. Bring a lunch to work and stop going out for lunch. Start cooking evening meals. If you are married and the little lady starts getting cranky about having to cook dinner every night. Cook one meal a week for her instead of going out. She will appreciate this more than just another bad meal out somewhere.

Cars have been covered so no point going over that again.
 
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What works for me:
-leave the CC at home - I use it for online purchases and travel - for everyday, cash is king- no money, no funny
-pay as you go cell phone plan - I refused to get sucked into another contract
-eat at/from home whenever possible - the tastiest and best quality food comes from my kitchen

I used to spend money like water. Now that I am older, and ironically make more money, I have developed a pretty good money management routine. That is not to say that I don't spend a bundle on shaving, but I really analyze purchases now.

I am a tinkerer as well. Most car maintenance, home renovation, general repair is my job. My washer has been repaired twice already(knock on wood, thanks Youtube)

Edit: stay out of the BST - is there a way to block it?
 
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I have the unfortunate affliction of being incredibly cheap but also liking nice things. The best way I've found to save money is what I call the buy it once principle. I rotated through cars like changing underwear for years, until I finally bought what I wanted. Is a Mustang GT practical, maybe not, but I now have no desire to buy another. Buying a TV, check your consumer reports, pay based upon VALUE.

I spend too much going out to eat. Answer, we go out once per week (fast food or restaurant counts). I recently did an analysis of light bulbs for our home, the best value turns out to be CFL's, so that is what we replaced them with. I've taken to analyzing expenses for my house just like I would for a work project and since doing so haven't replaced a single item before it's time.

CC's should just be avoided whenever possible, if you can't afford it, don't buy it.

All in all I think it's important to save money while still doing what you enjoy. Simple changes equal big bucks and proper savings means early retirement.
 
Lots of good tips here. It's easier, of course, if you enjoy being frugal and hate debt. My wife and I have gotten by with one car for years; that saves thousands each year. We walk or take our bikes whenever possible. We don't eat out much or spend a lot on smart phones, cable bills, etc. We use the library. It isn't just about saving money, it's also about fair use of resources. Americans make up 5% of the world's population, but use 24% of the world's energy resources. We can each cut back a bit, without feeling deprived. In fact, simplifying your life can enrich it. My son found a fabulous website on frugal living/retiring early: http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/ It has tons of tips from a man who retired young and made it work, as well as a blog with tips and comments from many visitors who are also trying to do more with less, and improve their lives.
 
I invested in home exercise equipment. It's an investment in physical health, mental health, time management health and financial health.
As someone mentioned before with the buy it once theory, it doesn't pay to cheap out on equipment. I found that out the hard way.
Besides the obvious savings of a gym membership you may or may not use, the savings in medical bills from taking care of yourself can really add up fast.
Not to mention you'll feel better. But you knew that didn't you?
 
I think, in most cases, a big 'YMMV' sticker may be needed in this thread....

I pay to use the gym, because I go six days a week, my flat isn't big enough for gym equipment, and that £30/month ($50) includes all the yoga classes I can get to, and free access to the sauna / jacuzzi, etc. I probably also save £10 a month by showering at the gym every night, rather than taking a bath at home.... However, YMMV.
 
I think, in most cases, a big 'YMMV' sticker may be needed in this thread....

I pay to use the gym, because I go six days a week, my flat isn't big enough for gym equipment, and that £30/month ($50) includes all the yoga classes I can get to, and free access to the sauna / jacuzzi, etc. I probably also save £10 a month by showering at the gym every night, rather than taking a bath at home.... However, YMMV.
Very very true! :)
 
Oh, one good article on the subject from The Fab Manual (there are other good ones in there, too): http://fabmanual.wordpress.com/2011/01/09/fabulous-financial-advice-6-tips-for-yuppies/

I wish everyone good luck, who are struggling with these things. The situation is getting more and more "American" even in the Nordic states here in Europe. Meaning the situation with credit and credit cards is getting out of hand, specially within the young adults. Everything changed less than ten years ago, when the credit and banking sector and the guidelines got changed, which meant, that even students earning nothing can get and are lured into getting credit cards. These changes also enabled loansharking by legimate companies, which provide "quick tips" for those in need via SMS etc.

I have never had a credit card. Back in college I figured it was wise to stay away. Have yet to have a need for one-- I try to maintain some savings for emergencies (and tend to throw "windfalls" like tax returns into savings). I thought I was being responsible. Until I graduated and found that having little credit (just student loans) meant I was not, apparently, responsible after all. It's ridiculous the way credit rules things these days, even down to getting a job. A lot of people have told me over the years that I NEED to get a credit card, preferably more than one. I'll avoid it until I absolutely have to have one.


Probably my worst weakness is eating out. I'm not that big on cooking. I also like a variety of stuff, so shopping could get expensive for a bunch of different recipes of different ethnic foods, etc. I don't eat out during the week, except maybe once every few months, but when I visit my mum on weekends we tend to go out.

And I do spend money on hobbies-- my dance lessons/competitions (but I don't do "big travel" to competitions-- if it's more than an hour away, forget it, except for one a year just 'cause it's the biggest games in the state and that's the one "vacation" I get in the year, to go with my mom and spend the night in a college dorm. And I don't buy a lot of new "stuff"-- my outfit is secondhand, and even though my waistcoat is too short [I'm long-waisted] and looks somewhat ridiculous, I wouldn't spend money on a new one unless I could miraculously find one secondhand and really cheap, I'll wear my shoes until they fall off my feet, etc.). My choir stuff: choir dues, travel to concerts. But that stuff helps keep me sane.


In some ways I'm naturally lucky, though. I do like my heat in winter, but that's included in rent. The heat in summer doesn't bug me that much; most of the running of the AC was always because of my former partner and my cat. I don't pay for cable TV and in fact don't even own a TV, because frankly, the 'net addiction means I wouldn't watch it much anyway. I often prefer to shop at thrift stores for my clothes. Etc.
 
Interesting thread. The best advice I have for LBYM is don't have five kids. A few more years though and I can start legally putting them to work and keep their wages.:biggrin1:
 
I invested in home exercise equipment. It's an investment in physical health, mental health, time management health and financial health.
As someone mentioned before with the buy it once theory, it doesn't pay to cheap out on equipment. I found that out the hard way.
Besides the obvious savings of a gym membership you may or may not use, the savings in medical bills from taking care of yourself can really add up fast.
Not to mention you'll feel better. But you knew that didn't you?

True, it's not a good idea to buy junk. However, specially in the home exercise equipment and similar, it's very easy to find those as second hand and save a lot of money. For example, few months ago I was wondering if I should buy a treadmill to my office at work and noticed, that I could get the same model around 25-33 % of the price of a new one. Some guys just buy the expensive stuff, don't use it and put it on sale.
 
True, it's not a good idea to buy junk. However, specially in the home exercise equipment and similar, it's very easy to find those as second hand and save a lot of money. For example, few months ago I was wondering if I should buy a treadmill to my office at work and noticed, that I could get the same model around 25-33 % of the price of a new one. Some guys just buy the expensive stuff, don't use it and put it on sale.

It's all about whether you have the time to invest to find the bargains.

Time and money are on opposite sides of the scale

If you have the time to invest in locating a deal price you usually do not have the money to spend on it

If you have the money to buy something you usually do not have the time to go find deals.
 
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