Dilucot

[BakerAndBadger]

Hi
gonna get my birthday present given to me this weekend so Il be test driving her on Monday. Now I have a razor that I plan on honing and gonna have a go a dilucotting it but don't have a linen strop. Does it matter if I just use the leather one?

 

[UPD]

Nope, you can skip linen/canvas/cotton strops and go directly to leather off a finishing stone if you choose. Many guys go to some pasted strops prior to plain leather, but if your honing technique is good you can get a highly shaveable edge right off the stone to plain leather.

 

[shakin_jake]

Hi
gonna get my birthday present given to me this weekend so Il be test driving her on Monday. Now I have a razor that I plan on honing and gonna have a go a dilucotting it but don't have a linen strop. Does it matter if I just use the leather one?

~~~Your B'Day present is a coticule right? I've been using coticules to hone and touch up my razors for over a year now and it's empirical to do 60 laps on linen before you go to leather, after honing using a coticule. Remember, I said empirical... no one is holding a gun to your head, but you will get the best result going to linen first, then leather

For all things coticule (best information), you can't beat the tutledge at coticule.be It's a read only site anymore. The owner has another site that is active though- http://www.artisanshaving.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=493

Not trying to steer you away from B&B but since you are using a coticule, Bart's two sites, especially the information on coticule.be is, where it's at concerning the best coticule information (on the planet). Plus, you wont wont have any of the meth heads telling you that you should use lapping film instead, unless you have a 3" width coticule <LOL>


Best,


Jake
Reddick Fla.

 

[Legion]

~~~Your B'Day present is a coticule right? I've been using coticules to hone and touch up my razors for over a year now and it's empirical to do 60 laps on linen before you go to leather, after honing using a coticule. Remember, I said empirical... no one is holding a gun to your head, but you will get the best result going to linen first, then leather

For all things coticule (best information), you can't beat the tutledge at coticule.be It's a read only site anymore. The owner has another site that is active though- http://www.artisanshaving.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=493

Not trying to steer you away from B&B but since you are using a coticule, Bart's two sites, especially the information on coticule.be is, where it's at concerning the best coticule information (on the planet). Plus, you wont wont have any of the meth heads telling you that you should use lapping film instead, unless you have a 3" width coticule <LOL>


Best,


Jake
Reddick Fla.

LOL.

You do not need a linen strop, but if you really want one you can make a very serviceable one out of an old pair of denim jeans. Cotton works fine.

 

[BakerAndBadger]

LOL.

You do not need a linen strop, but if you really want one you can make a very serviceable one out of an old pair of denim jeans. Cotton works fine.

Excellent, got loads of pairs of jeans in the basement for when I'm working in the garden or other manual type things that make your hands sore......
Oh and yes, forgot to say that it is indeed a coticule that I'm getting for my birthday, oops, here I am thinking that people remember things that a newbie posted a week ago! SORRY

 

[alx gilmore]

Excellent, got loads of pairs of jeans in the basement for when I'm working in the garden or other manual type things that make your hands sore......

I strongly suggest that you use a clean pair of jeans, any dirt lodged in the fibers of the jeans can have tremendous effects on a freshly honed blade, not all of them benificial especially if we are actually talking the garden variety of dirt. Even when clean you might cut one of the pant legs off and open it up down the seam and use the inside surface of the denim jean surface, this exposes the back or foundation of the weave which will be more regular and consistant in older used fabrics than the top or nap surfaces which get roughed up more. I also like to strop on kakhi, a finer twill weave usually in cotton.

Stroping on clean cotton or linen only with a stone fresh off the stone or the face will give you tons of raw information in regards to your honing skills. If it is sharp off the stone, then it will be the "same sharp" off the clean cotton, a totally unadulerated and virgin edge. Any time you take a blade fresh off a stone to a leather strop two things happen: the blade is affected by the leather, the blade is affected by any foreign material impregnated in the leather whether those be random airborne grit or intentional additives. These are not necessarly deleterious effects, and most people who use strops that are not brand new out of the box will use a strop with the improvement of the edge off the hone stone in mind.

I am not saying that using a strop is cheating, but I am suggesting that a blade fresh off the hone is sharpened only by the stone, and that a blade taken to a leather strop is finished by the strop. Especially after 50-100 or even 150 strokes on an abrasive (more or less abrasive) strop, the edge no longer proves the edge off the stone but that of the strop. This is an altered edge, maybe an excellent and most likely an improved and superior edge, but an altered edge at that. To threaten redundency, an edge off clean cotton is an edge 100% representing your honing skills and if it shaves well it is a reflection of your skills, and the tactile feedbacks are more true to your skills. If I see a nit, I will pick, Alx

 

[BakerAndBadger]

Cheers Alx.

So I'll take the inside of a pair of jeans, should I just cut a strip about 3" wide? Do I need to finish it on anything? Stitching? How do I fix it to a hook, can I tie it? ;
Really like your explanation, will see if I am a natural hone boy or if I need more practice (I'm guessing that'll be the case!).

Paul

 

[Puerco]

If you use jeans to make a strop, how do you keep the fabric from fraying? Do you stitch the sides or fold it over and glue it or what?
I want to try using some old jeans to make a cotton strop but still thinking about the best way to keep it from fraying.

 

[Gamma]

You could try checking out a military surplus store and pick up a simple cotton web belt. They work fine as a linen strop.

I make my own linen strops from a roll of 2" wide cotton webbing - costs about a buck a foot or something, so maybe a fabric store could hook you up.

 

[alx gilmore]

Jeans for a strop, Gamma-sama might have a simple idea of a cotton or linen belt. I mostly just use the thigh area of my pants leg, just without the dirt element. I may not have the meanest toughest beard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9FQ0PknI5E&feature=plcp but I do have a full face to shave. Each of us needs a different degree of sharpness to suit our needs, but we don't all need the sharpest blade in the whole darn world every morning we wake up. Just sharp enough to shave our own beard. The better stones will give us this edge with some skill, some fellows will need a high tech edge because of their particular beard make-up. I am looking for an edge that holds up for a few weeks. I just gave up on the edge of a particular razor after 34 shaves over a 42 day period with only stroping on my kakhi or jeans pants leg. No leather and no sprays. No retouching or refreshing the blade. It will still shave but not as comfortable. Alx

 

[Slash McCoy]

~~~Your B'Day present is a coticule right? I've been using coticules to hone and touch up my razors for over a year now and it's empirical to do 60 laps on linen before you go to leather, after honing using a coticule. Remember, I said empirical... no one is holding a gun to your head, but you will get the best result going to linen first, then leather

For all things coticule (best information), you can't beat the tutledge at coticule.be It's a read only site anymore. The owner has another site that is active though- http://www.artisanshaving.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=493

Not trying to steer you away from B&B but since you are using a coticule, Bart's two sites, especially the information on coticule.be is, where it's at concerning the best coticule information (on the planet). Plus, you wont wont have any of the meth heads telling you that you should use lapping film instead, unless you have a 3" width coticule <LOL>


Best,


Jake
Reddick Fla.

I'm not one of the meth heads, but if they insist you should use lapping film unless you have a 3" wide coticule, they are wrong. You should use lapping film no matter how big a coticule you have. Film rocks.

 

[Legion]

I'm not one of the meth heads, but if they insist you should use lapping film unless you have a 3" wide coticule, they are wrong. You should use lapping film no matter how big a coticule you have. Film rocks.

Don't listen to him. It's just the meth talking.

For a denim strop cut a long strip and fold it a couple of times so the cut edge is inside. Stitch it in a loop around D rings.

 

[Kentos]

.... Film rocks.

A somewhat ironic pun

 

[Legion]

A somewhat ironic pun

Nice.

 

[Doc226]

Coticule edge do benefit form the linen.

Films are awesome, very easy to use-but have no Mojo.

 

[Slash McCoy]

Mojo is entertainment. Film is ensharpenment.

As for the denim strop, a 3" board covered with denim makes a very nice strop, pasted or unpasted, depending on your needs. Just stretch it fairly tight and tack it on the sides and ends. A slight chamfer on the edges of the wood helps. With full right angle edges, you get a slight hump at the edge in your denim as it seeks to make a radius.

 

[danjared]

Linen, cotton and leather have a burnishing effect on the edge. They will also remove any debris that is at the edge.

Claims of these unpasted/unsprayed strops having an abrasive effect seem unsubstantiated. From what I recall, the only actual research done on the topic shows that stropping on untreated strops causes plastic deformation, i.e. burnishes.

 

[BakerAndBadger]

Right then, tomorrow I'll be chopping up jeans!

 

[shakin_jake]

I'm not one of the meth heads

~~~ http://badgerandblade.com/vb/showthread.php/295447-Newb-trying-to-hone-a-razor?p=4189666#post4189666




Best,


Jake
Reddick Fla.

 

[alx gilmore]

Linen, cotton and leather have a burnishing effect on the edge. They will also remove any debris that is at the edge.

Claims of these unpasted/unsprayed strops having an abrasive effect seem unsubstantiated. From what I recall, the only actual research done on the topic shows that stropping on untreated strops causes plastic deformation, i.e. burnishes.

I am behind you 100% on these observations. Linen and leather do flatten out the surface of an edge, the ridges between the scratches are flattened giving the bevel a flatter apperence, and from what I understand this plastic deformation, the result of pressure and heat generated by friction, is distinctly different from sharpening or honing with abrassives which supposed to actually remove metal as their goal.
The only problem is that with moderate exposure, the strops can easily pick up abrasive particles from outside sources including airborne dust like in a shop environment or a dedicated sharpening station or transference by hand contact. This is usually minimal but worth noting in anycase. Alx