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Are our children Tea Cups?

luvmysuper

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So I'm staying at a hotel in Texas, and last night a woman with a child about 7 or 8 years old checked into the room next to me. I don't know who the woman is, but the kid is named Bobby.
I know this because until about 2:00 am, there was an unending monologue of "Bobby, don't" "Bobby, stop that" "Bobby, quit" "No, Bobby" repeated ad infinitum.
It is coincidence, because I was just reading earlier in the day a blog by a woman named Lenore Skenazy, called "Free Range Kids".
Her perspective is that we, as a society in general, have become so overprotective of our kids that we are doing them a disservice.
The Tea Cup reference is from College Administrators who refer to the kids enrolling these days as "Tea Cups". Outwardly beautiful, but in reality very fragile and easily broken.
Our fear of child predators has made our children virtual prisoners in our homes, if they go on their own to the store or the park they will surely be abducted.
Our over use of anti-bacterial soaps and hand cleansers has effectively reduced the ability of our children to fight off common infections.
Our kids must be dressed like a member of the Bomb Squad before they are allowed to participate in any physical activity, like riding a bicycle or playing a team sport. God forbid that any park should have a set of "monkey bars", those horrible contraptions have killed millions of children, and with few exceptions, have been removed and reduced to scrap.
Don't get me wrong. Our children are the most valuable thing on the face of the earth, and deserve our protection.
But isn't "protection" more than just keeping the kids off of the monkey bars, prohibiting the climbing of trees, and imbedding a bizzare and unnatural fear of all strangers on the planet in their tiny little brains?
All generations say "When I was a kid, we didn't worry about (insert fearful activity here), we just played outdoors till sundown", so I recognize that there is always a nostalgic yearning for things past, even if the situation has changed such that those things can no longer be done as they were.
But have things changed so drastically that we must now treat our offspring as delicate flowers, to be protected against every single possible adverse thing in life? How does this help them learn to cope with things that don't "go their way"?
The loving discipline applied to me as a kid prepared me for a life that is swift to provide consequences to my actions, should they be less than expected. This loving discipline provided by my mother and father is now viewed as Child Abuse, and is likely to end badly for the parents. And by proxy, is likely to end badly for the child in the form of undisciplined and unknowing waifs trying to survive in a dog eat dog world.
I bet a single swat on the butt would have significantly reduced the number of "Bobby, stop that"'s last night.
I have the sad feeling that Bobbys future is somehow bleaker than mine was, and I hope that he is able to overcome the obstacles placed in his path by the very person who should be providing him the tools to overcome those obstacles.
Just my Opinion, what's yours?
 
I agree with your post. It seems a some parents are obsessed with the safety at the local park or the school food, but not their childs homework or work ethic. The was a quotation from a TV show I liked "Sometimes we work so hard to give our kids what we didn't have that we forget to give them what we did have"
 
We have the only kids in our neighborhood that are allowed to go outside and play without an adult hovering over them.

The whole child abduction thing has made kids prisoners of our fears. The statistics show that stranger abductions have remained at about the same level as when I was allowed to roam freely with herds of other free roaming kids, but now, with the likes of Nancy Grace and the whole cable news industry scaring the crap out of us by focusing on the few tragedies, we have surrendered to emotion.

There is no fighting allowed whatsoever in school. The adults think this eliminates bullying, but it merely drives it underground, and kids pick on each other by gaming the system. When these kids get to the point where they have some unsupervised freedom, they haven't the history of establishing a pecking order and learning how to butt heads, so out come the weapons and we wonder why they end up dead or in jail.

We obsess over kids and guns, but don't think twice over putting Jr. in the car, when car accidents kill thousands of kids a year, and firearms accidents kill a couple hundred. We stare at kids on milk cartons and know who Jonbenet Ramsey was, but we can't name the thousands of kids who drown or die in fires every year. We are too busy worrying over the hundred a year that are kidnapped by strangers.

As a parent, any of these tragedies is beyond my ability to comprehend, but I wonder at the price our kids pay so we can feel safe from fears that I believe are largely magnified by the media who are after money and ratings.

I am starting to become very skeptical of anybody who claims that they want to pass a law, change a behavior or collect money "for the good of our children". It's an emotional lever that is too easy to use.
 
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as a parent, any of these tragedies is beyond my ability to comprehend, but i wonder at the price our kids pay so we can feel safe from fears that i believe are largely magnified by the media who are after money and ratings.

+1!
 
I completely agree with you guys. I think that overly sheltering and excessively rewarding kids does them a terrible disservice. Hopefully this generation won't pay the price for their parents' spinelessness.
 
I think that this problem is much larger than any one set of parents and their individual fears and worries (though any individual does possess the ability to move beyond it). The media brings horror from around the world into our living rooms nightly and large corporations have billions riding on the fact that you are scared...and must remain scared...of...something. We have a very skewed vision of reality.

I sense a huge difference traveling back-and-forth between Japan and North America and the level of overall fear is much, much higher in our western 'civilization'. Every neighbour is a potential threat, every birthday or playground a lawsuit just waiting to happen. The government is coming! The Russians are coming! The slide in the park has no safety net at the bottom! Inject your kid with a tracking chip...it's the only way to be really safe! Educate them on the dangers of everything! Helmets required in the swimming pool! Singing in school is against my religion and impinges upon my child's civil liberties...march! march! My child needs a Taser! The world is full of terrorists who seek to undermine my way of life! Bob next door grows organic vegetables...must be a socia-list! I saw on TV last night that we need to....

Anyways, a bit of a rant, but things have gotten a bit out of hand. We live in a manufactured reality folks and it is up to you, personally, to be strong and aware enough to see that and raise your kids accordingly, prevailing pressures and opinions be damned. Just my early-morning opinion of course! :biggrin:
 
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Anyways, a bit of a rant, but things have gotten a bit out of hand. We live in a manufactured reality folks and it is up to you, personally, to be strong and aware enough to see that and raise your kids accordingly, prevailing pressures and opinions be damned. Just my early-morning opinion of course! :biggrin:


Aye, sir!
I think it has everything to do with (as a parent) keeping a balance. I don't want to bring my kids to first aid every week and I certainly don't want them in the hands of any child molester!! But in a decade or so they will have to be able to stand on their own two feet and that is not going to work if I am not giving them a chance to let them get hurt (a little) because of their own lack of understanding of this world.
Overprotecting them is about the worst service you could give your kids; they will never grow up!
 
I'm not sure how your post went from the many disadvantages of overprotection (with which I agree) to praising spanking as loving discipline (with which I utterly disagree).:confused:
 
I agree completely with the OP and I try and treat my kids differently and allow them some independence. This leads to some bumps and bruises and tears too, but as my grandfather used to say "you have to eat a pound of dirt before you die."

I think this is the point of the OP and those quoted therein.

Give me a bit of leeway on this comparison but I was listening to an NPR episode of Radio Lab today. The subject was parasites. There was a section of the show that discussed a man who was once dangerously asthmatic and allergic to many common things. He had preferred seating at the hospital and allergist. He stumbled upon some research that indicated that Africa has little to no incidence of allergies or asthma. He dug deeper and learned that the theory is that hook worm, which is problem (due to lesser hygiene standards) in Africa, is reducing the bodies auto-immune responses which are the root cause of allergies and asthma.

He sough to purchase some hook worm, but couldnt. He travelled to Africa and spent two weeks walking barefoot through open latrines. He achieved his goal of catching hook worm and shortly thereafter he was, self described, "cured."

He has gone into business selling his own hook worms but isn't doing the huge business he expects he could.

For further reading: http://www.asthmahookworm.com/

He believe that our western culture fear of germs and "poor hygiene" turn most people away from what he feels is a simple, cheap, safe and effective cure. The science backs him up...human life and the hook worm developed as co-dependant upon one another. Our ultra-hygienic culture has eliminated hook worm from our biology, but it hasn't eliminated any of those other elements that the presence of the hook worm developed to remedy.

Maybe we are creating tea cups out of all of us...it certainly seems to be so.
 
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Legion

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I totally agree with the OP. When I think of the things we were allowed to do, and were considered normal when I was a kid, it would make the modern parents hair stand on end!

I don't have any kids (the world can make its own serial killers, I'm busy) but if I did I think that I would be much less concerned with the physical dangers of the world (firecrackers, germs, a whack on the butt from me when they get out of line) and more concerned about about their mental well being. The internet is one thing that I would be SO concerned about as a parent. There is pretty much NOTHING you can't see there and it is not hard to find. It is, however, pretty hard to police. Even if you are strict and put on net nanny's, etc. they will just go around to their mates house and look at it there. When I was a kid the worst that you could sneak a look at was the odd dirty movie or magazine. Now kids can look at the worst violence, etc that people could think of inflicting on each other, in colour and conveniently edited into three minute clips, Combine this with the full on sex stuff that's out there and a kids associations could be WELL screwed up by the time they are an adult.

Worry less about your kids physical safety and more about their mental health. My two cents, anyway.
 
Another scary thing is the lack of self reliance and respect. Respect for oneself and others. I have met lots of kids that have parents that have never worked, 100% reliant on the government. Kids that look up to people that are coked out drug addicts, steroid infused, alcoholics, etc that happen to be on a movie screen or game field. Parents that don't care that their kids were arrested instead of being in school. Career criminals at the age of 12. What is this world coming to?
 
I have to admit that I have noticed the phenomena of "Helicopter Parents" (always hovering) for years now, and reflect back on my upbringing.

Those parents would be appalled at how I grew up! Not only was I turned loose on whatever neighborhood we lived in at the time (Army Brats move a lot) I was encouraged to get out of the house. Often nearly tossed out, come to think of it. In the process I got lost in four different foreign countries, never had a parent wait for me at the school bus stop, and had to walk to school on my own if there wasn't a bus! Not only that, we were taught to be polite to strangers.

But then my folks grew up in the hills of small town Ohio, and they wandered as they pleased when they were out of the house.
 
I know, it's really getting bad. In my town, when the kids go to and from school, it's now downhill both ways! :wink:

Seriously, I agree with the OP to a point. But in areas like safety we should be able to learn from past mistakes without going overboard. For example, when I was a kid, the monkey bars were on concrete. In hindsight, that was not too smart. Now they have them over a rubber surface so the kids won't crack their skulls open if they fall. (Becoming a paraplegic is not a lesson in self-reliance.) Of course, my town still has monkey bars in its public playgrounds, so from what the OP is saying I gather we're tougher than average these days.

Like so many other things in life, it's a question of finding the right balance.
 
I know, it's really getting bad. In my town, when the kids go to and from school, it's now downhill both ways! :wink:

Seriously, I agree with the OP to a point. But in areas like safety we should be able to learn from past mistakes without going overboard. For example, when I was a kid, the monkey bars were on concrete. In hindsight, that was not too smart. Now they have them over a rubber surface so the kids won't crack their skulls open if they fall. (Becoming a paraplegic is not a lesson in self-reliance.) Of course, my town still has monkey bars in its public playgrounds, so from what the OP is saying I gather we're tougher than average these days.

Like so many other things in life, it's a question of finding the right balance.


How 'bout whats going on in Saratoga Springs where the town is trying to prevent a woman from cycling with her 12 year old son to school each day because they feel the 3 mile trip is unsafe for the child.

Now I'm a cycling advocate so this irks me on one level, but this is even worse than the nanny state many of us fear. This is the State supplanting the role of the parent completely!

From the news article:

"The riding of bicycles by elementary pupils to and from school is prohibited."

The superintendent said the policy was instituted in 1994, "well before my time here," and that the school officials are now working on a compromise and considering changes to the policy, which was designed to guarantee the safety and security of students who haven't yet reached high school.

It is not in place because of liability concerns, she said. Students at the high school level have always been permitted to bike to class, and bike racks are provided for them.

"It's strictly about the intention to keep children safe and not have children on particular roadways and areas that would be considered difficult to manage on a bicycle."


School officials say cars travel at up to 55 miles per hour on Rt. 9, which the Marinos take on afternoon rides home. Traffic patterns around Maple Avenue Middle School, which was built in 1994, led the board to adopt measures limiting routes of access.

But Marino says their path, which mostly hugs along "adventurous" back roads and Rt. 9's "beautiful, wide shoulders," is just fine for her son, who has twice biked the 300-mile route from Buffalo to Albany.

She said the initial concerns raised by school officials were misplaced, including their worries that her son might be snatched by a kidnapper.

"I don't know if the fear is warranted. It's almost like (they're suggesting) you stay inside, you get fat, you have heart problems when you get older because there may be a pedophile out there," she said.
 
The media terrifies the hell out of us and then some business offers a solution or the government rides in to "protect" you. Often it's a combination of the two...

It's all part of a culture shift that happened a long time ago. We stopped listening to mom and dad and more to the "experts" that parade around. That the "experts" are a group of morons paid to talk about something (so they have to come up with some answer, no matter how absurd) never occurs to many of us.

Just look at the history of the US. 1700s: fight a war with the biggest superpower in the world; 1800s: expand across hostile terrain, industrialize, Civil War, then some economic "protections"; 1900s: business regulation, food regulation, more wars, social safety nets, smoking bans; 2000s: don't talk on your cell phone in the car.

We're just progressing further into soft tyranny under the rule of experts.
 
I remembered the book Culture of Fear, by Barry Glassner. It might be interesting for those here. I didn't like it on a literary level because I dislike Glassner's style and there are some problems with how the book attempts to prove its thesis, but the real strength of it is Glassner's research into how media (NOT "liberal" media, just media period) skews reporting and makes us fear things that are statistically ridiculous to be afraid of. Fear is such a social motivator that a manufactured fear of something can change economic patterns, residential planning, local ordinances--fear can reshape how life is lived, which is exactly what we're talking about here with ripping the monkey bars out of playgrounds and banning riding bikes to school.
 
I remembered the book Culture of Fear, by Barry Glassner. It might be interesting for those here. I didn't like it on a literary level because I dislike Glassner's style and there are some problems with how the book attempts to prove its thesis, but the real strength of it is Glassner's research into how media (NOT "liberal" media, just media period) skews reporting and makes us fear things that are statistically ridiculous to be afraid of. Fear is such a social motivator that a manufactured fear of something can change economic patterns, residential planning, local ordinances--fear can reshape how life is lived, which is exactly what we're talking about here with ripping the monkey bars out of playgrounds and banning riding bikes to school.

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