hi guys this is Thomas from Toronto. Have a question in regards to honing a straight razor. I own a Norton stone 8000 grit stone and Naniwa 12000 grit stone. Just curious how many round trips should be taken for each stone from the various videos that I watched they all suggest around 8 round trips. just wondering if that's the standard or if I need to go more to a really nice edge on it. thanks again.