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New Zealand bans smoking for birth years 2009 and up

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Multum in parvo

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www.theguardian.com

New Zealand passes world-first tobacco law to ban smoking for next generation

The country is believed to be the first to implement an annually rising legal smoking age
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I still believe in freedom of choice for responsible adults. This is a development and mode of thinking that is wrong in so many ways aside from the matter at hand and general political left/right standpoints. It makes for a bleak future for whatever controversial topic you can think off in todays society.
 
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Multum in parvo said:
www.theguardian.com

New Zealand passes world-first tobacco law to ban smoking for next generation

The country is believed to be the first to implement an annually rising legal smoking age
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

I still believe in freedom of choice for responsible adults. This is a development and mode of thinking that is wrong in so many ways aside from the matter at hand and general political left/right standpoints. It makes for a bleak future for whatever controversial topic you can think off in todays society.
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I think that if this works get ready to see it everywhere that has a public health system. The governments will justify banning tobacco products due to the healthcare costs associated with its use. It’s either ban the tobacco that 8% of the population uses or raise taxes on the entire population to help pay for the 8% healthcare.
 
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Whisky said:
I think that if this works get ready to see it everywhere that has a public health system. The governments will justify banning tobacco products due to the healthcare costs associated with its use. It’s either ban the tobacco that 8% of the population uses or raise taxes on the entire population to help pay for the 8% healthcare.
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Depends on where haha.

Here in China, the government has a monopoly on tobacco. They probably make more selling cigarettes than collecting taxes.

Back in Canada though, one look at a cig pack is enough to make one quit right there.
 
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Whisky said:
I think that if this works get ready to see it everywhere that has a public health system. The governments will justify banning tobacco products due to the healthcare costs associated with its use. It’s either ban the tobacco that 8% of the population uses or raise taxes on the entire population to help pay for the 8% healthcare.
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simon1 said:
The best way to get a young person to do something is to tell them they can't.

Lemme know how that works out for them.
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I wonder how they’re planning on enforcing it. Are they going to put “young” people in jail for smoking?
 
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Uh... 2009 means 13 years old.
I personally don't have an issue with making 18 - 21 a requirement, but that's me and I don't run any governments policy.
Most everywhere there were minimum purchase ages in place, and it was illegal to buy tobacco for a minor, so this just closes a silly loophole.
How could a 13 year old smoke if:
1. They couldn't legally buy tobacco
2. An of age person couldn't legally give or sell it to them
 
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luvmysuper said:
Uh... 2009 means 13 years old.
I personally don't have an issue with making 18 - 21 a requirement, but that's me and I don't run any governments policy.
Most everywhere there were minimum purchase ages in place, and it was illegal to buy tobacco for a minor, so this just closes a silly loophole.
How could a 13 year old smoke if:
1. They couldn't legally buy tobacco
2. An of age person couldn't legally give or sell it to them
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No no, the minimum age will be increased every year. A today 13 year old will never be able to legally buy tobacco products in the future. So in 40 years time you will have to proof that your are at least 54 years old…
 
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Multum in parvo said:
No no, the minimum age will be increased every year. A today 13 year old will never be able to legally buy tobacco products in the future. So in 40 years time you will have to proof that your are at least 54 years old…
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Ahhh, I see. Thank you for the clarification.
Yes, that seems a bit ambitious.
The nice thing about laws is that they can be changed, when people finally feel they've had enough babysitting.
If I was going to eliminate a product which is legal virtually everywhere, this is the exact way I would do it.
If you can get the "well, it doesn't affect me personally, so I don't care" crowd on board - you're golden.

A quote comes to mind:

"Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."

Martin Niemöller’s poem was written just after the Holocaust, and he was arguing against an apathetic "don't care" attitude. Though the words are a specific reference to the Holocaust, it also bears truth as a warning about what a government or authority can do at present or in the future.

High Fat foods. Sugary foods. Alcohol. Risky hobbies such as sky diving or motorcycle riding.
The possibilities are endless. But, each only affects a small group at a time.
 
Multum in parvo

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luvmysuper said:
Ahhh, I see. Thank you for the clarification.
Yes, that seems a bit ambitious.
The nice thing about laws is that they can be changed, when people finally feel they've had enough babysitting.
If I was going to eliminate a product which is legal virtually everywhere, this is the exact way I would do it.
If you can get the "well, it doesn't affect me personally, so I don't care" crowd on board - you're golden.

A quote comes to mind:

"Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."

Martin Niemöller’s poem was written just after the Holocaust, and he was arguing against an apathetic "don't care" attitude. Though the words are a specific reference to the Holocaust, it also bears truth as a warning about what a government or authority can do at present or in the future.

High Fat foods. Sugary foods. Alcohol. Risky hobbies such as sky diving or motorcycle riding.
The possibilities are endless. But, each only affects a small group at a time.
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I believe this is also to test the waters. They argue with only 8% and huge savings so most people will nod along. Going after fat/sugar/alcohol you will have much higher savings to bring to the argument AND a precedent that is already in place.
 
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My health insurance provider will not pay for spinal fusion surgery if you test positive for nicotine. Testing is 2 weeks prior, 1 week prior and the day of the surgery.
 
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Multum in parvo said:
I’m not versed in Anglo-Saxon law but under current EU regulations I don’t believe it would fly. All men are equal before the law and such. This creates a kind of 2 class society where some are basically discriminated by birth…
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Well, if you could get a very vocal minority to talk it up, and get social and other media outlets to quash disagreement, almost anything is possible.
 
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