Your First CC?

[dojpros]

2nd Gen G17.

My rec today would be a 5th Gen Glock 19 v the Sig 365

A. the platform has been more thoroughly vetted
B. cheaper and more plentiful OEM mags for carry and Magpul for practice
C. Tremendous amount of support re sights/holsters/pouches/sights etc.
D. An easier gun to shoot well at speed v a 365.


Having said that, if you are dead set on the 365, the Macro with 17 round capacity and the longer grip is the way to go on that platform.

Not matter what pistol you buy- buy a quality purpose built holster mated to a quality purpose built belt and get some training beyond just a CCW class.

 

[shoelessjoe]

An SP-101 (357), which was semi-retired shortly thereafter by a P7M8 … the latter remains the primary (urban) CCW, while the former is a favorite fly fishing carry piece in the event of contrary cats, rattlers, skels & most recently, reintroduced wolves.

 

[oc_in_fw]

An SP-101 (357), which was semi-retired shortly thereafter by a P7M8 … the latter remains the primary (urban) CCW, while the former is a favorite fly fishing carry piece in the event of contrary cats, rattlers, skels & most recently, reintroduced wolves.

As in HK P7M8? I think I hate you.

 

[TheGrimWeeper]

S&W snubby .38. Got it as a back-up and off-duty gun. Then I remembered that I can't shoot little revolvers worth a damn and traded it for a new Sig P232 before I ever carried the .38. So the Sig technically is the first. That got soaked in a flash flood during a hurricane. I stripped and towel wiped it real quick and left the parts wrapped in the same towel in the glove box. Well, that plan fell apart. By the time I was able to get home and clean it up it the slide had rust patches and pits. A buddy that moonlighted in a gun shop ceramic coated it, which was new and rare at the time. Still have it loafing in a safe, and kick myself for ruining the original finish. Probably not a coincidence that it was the last blued gun I ever bought.

+1 for P7 jealousy.

 

[borwish]

You guys need to man up. One day you might be worthy of the .22 short. It's what my grandpa carried back in the day.

 

[Rob72]

You guys need to man up. One day you might be worthy of the .22 short. It's what my grandpa carried back in the day.

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The original OMG (Old Man Gun). I have a Beretta 21A for a tad more oomph!

 

[Rob72]

As in HK P7M8? I think I hate you.

The great thing about. P7M8 is that if you run out of ammo, you can still beat the bad guys down using it as a club! Being pistol-whipped with a P7 is worse than being shot.

 

[oc_in_fw]

The great thing about. P7M8 is that if you run out of ammo, you can still beat the bad guys down using it as a club! Being pistol-whipped with a P7 is worse than being shot.

Around 1990 had the chance to buy one from a buddy for $800, less than 100 rounds through it. I wasn’t sold in the 9mm platform. I still kick my butt over it- thing was a tack driver.

 

[dojpros]

Re the pocket beretta

I know a guy who has something very similar in a .32. It is in his pocket every day in some type of holster. With an extra mag in the other.

About 1x month, who goes out to the farm to check on things-there he performs a series of rapid double taps on an 8 inch inch stump at 5-7 yards. Then he reloads and does a mag dump one handed. Then he wipes in down, lubes it up, reloads the mags and drives on. He owns other pistols which I think he thinks of a “car guns” when he drives longer distances.

Not my way. But certainly a way.

He always has a pistol on him no matter what he is wearing. He can make effective hits in the most likely distances he is likely to be engaging folks. He is otherwise a bird hunter/skeet/trap etc kind of guy such that the primary home defense platform is a shotgun ( I convinced him away from bird shot to Fed Flite Control Buck).

 

[dojpros]

NOTE -I POSTED THIS HERE IN 2015. What is below has been edited a bit.

I apologize in advance, the posting below is a bit dense:


If it was me, and knowing everything I know now having first started shooting in 1991, I would:
1.A Smith and Wesson M &P 9 mm (ed-2.0) or a Glock 9mm (Model 19 or 17) (ed- Gen 5)and six magazines per gun. Arguably, the M&P fits a wider variety of hands with its adjustable back straps and can be had with a frame mounted safety lever. The Glock has a longer track record and is the number one pistol in the world for Mil/LEO/GOVT use. It is also a bit easier to get holsters and accessories for a Glock. It really is a bit of Ford v. Chevy/Nike v. Adidas (ed -latest Glocks do a better job in fit)

2.Buy a Blade Tech Kydex Injection Molded OWB (outside the waistband) holster/magpouch set as my unconcealed range/training holster set. These holsters are made of a stiff plastic like material that make wearing, drawing and re-holstering much easier and safer. A holster is to a pistol what a sling is to a hunting rifle carried in the field.

3.Make sure the gun had night sights. This type of sight glows in the dark without having to be recharged by light v. a watch dial.

4.Buy a 1.5 inch 5 stitch Wilderness Brand EDC/FF belt.( ed-or Mastermind Tacitcs Specialist or Tenicor Zero) A quality, purpose designed gunbelt is key to supporting the weight of the gun, extra magazines etc. The buckles of these belts are infinitely adjustable.

5.Buy some electronic hearing protection. These allow you to hear your coach,training partner and sounds around you but Ablock@ the report of gunfire and other loud noises.

6.Buy some quality eye protection i.e. Oakley, Rudy Project, ESS, Smith Optics-Tactical Division or Revision Eyewear.

7.Buy 3000 rounds of 9mm ammo. (ed-do the best you can here)

8.Take a good 2 day pistol class and start shooting some IPSC, in a tacitcally sound manner (which means you will never come close to "winning" anything) to become consciously competent with the gun.

9.After that, I would buy a quality IWB (Inside the Waistband) holster.

10.Finish off my 3000 rounds doing what I was taught to do in the first class.

11.Buy 3000 rounds more of 9mm.

12.Take another class or perhaps even the same class again, this time running concealed.

13. Apply what I learned in both classes and start shooting some IDPA in a tactically sound manner ( same caveat re "winning") until I was unconsciously competent with the platform.

14.Buy a second gun just like the first one and six magazines, shoot it about 500rounds to make sure it was reliable and then make it my dedicated carry pistoland my first gun with the 6k thru it would be my dedicated training pistol.


If someone had outlined this for me above, I would be a better shooter now, I wouldhave become a better shooter, faster and I would have saved a ton of time,talent and treasure.



At the close of this exercise, if I wanted a .45 caliber pistol, I would buy 2 identical .45 caliber guns set up the same from the beginning and take a class or two with that platform as well. I would break both in with a few hundred rounds of ammunition. One would become my carry gun in that platform, the other my dedicated practice pistol in that platform.

I would also offer some thoughts regarding have one type of platform for home defense i.e. a Glock and another from CCW, i.e. much smaller pistol or some sort. While I acknowledge the concealabilty of the smaller pistol, it can be a difficult platform to run at speed. Moreover, because of the recoil, small sights and generally lack of durability relative to a full sized service pistol, you will not likely practice with it very much. If you are wearing it on your hip in a dedicated holster, for very small loss of concealment increment, you canconceal a much more capable platform. If you are running out of your pocket or an ankle holster as your primary weapon, it is going to take you a very longtime (relatively) to get the gun into play. A defensive shooting scenario is precisely the wrong time to being dealing two very different sounds, sizes,feels, capacities between two disparate weapons platforms.

I would note that should you get a CCW in the future, you can legally conceal your weapon in the vast majority of places you go. Concealed means concealed. It does not mean invisible to the trained eye at 1 meter. Think about carrying a bigger weapon platform that is easier to shoot well and has a higher capacity.

I would, in the strongest possible terms, recommend that your home defense platform and your primary carry platform be the same type of weapon.

YMMV Greatly

 

[shoelessjoe]

As in HK P7M8? I think I hate you.

lol … brother, every day that passes was the best one to purchase that HK - make today the day!

 

[Wishoot]

Would love to see a pic of it with the clip?

I guess I took the clip off a while back and decided to use an IWB holster instead.

This little S&W has been carried and used, but it locks up like the day it rolled out of Springfield, MA.

 

[OkieStubble]

I guess I took the clip off a while back and decided to use an IWB holster instead.

This little S&W has been carried and used, but it locks up like the day it rolled out of Springfield, MA.

Yeah, that's really cool.

 

[Rayotech]

Started with a Glock 23, then to a Glock 19. Just too hard to hide on my build.
Now carry the Glock 43X, hides well, handles well.

 

[retiredguns]

First "modern" SA CC was a Beretta Nano. Loved my M9, but hated that Nano! Why did they design a pistol that does not lock to the rear? It was a jammomatic and remedial action with a pistol that you cannot lock open is a nightmare.
First good CC was an XDs .45

These days a Hellcat, G-19 or LCPII.

 

[duke762]

My first CCW was a Glock 17 in a Galco Escort fanny pack. It was replaced by a Ruger P90 .45 which in turn was replaced by a Ruger SP101 which brought me to my current carry "guns" which are a SW638 and a KelTec P32. THe 638 rides in a battered Galco Escort, and the P32 resides in a jeans or jacket pocket. I love the secure feeling of being able to get a firing grip on my mouse gun, while still concealed Galco Escorts for 32 years.

Society in general, around my location, seems to have become more aggressive, angry, totally nut's post covid. When I started carrying, it was concealed only and you didn't want to print or give anyone a clue. Open carry is legal but I can't wrap my head around it. Concealment protects me. But since it is now okay, to open carry I don't have to be as dicreet, so I think I'm going to rethink my carry options again. Now is the time to carry a larger auto for a while.

 

[OkieStubble]

My first CCW was a Glock 17 in a Galco Escort fanny pack. It was replaced by a Ruger P90 .45 which in turn was replaced by a Ruger SP101 which brought me to my current carry "guns" which are a SW638 and a KelTec P32. THe 638 rides in a battered Galco Escort, and the P32 resides in a jeans or jacket pocket. I love the secure feeling of being able to get a firing grip on my mouse gun, while still concealed Galco Escorts for 32 years.

Society in general, around my location, seems to have become more aggressive, angry, totally nut's post covid. When I started carrying, it was concealed only and you didn't want to print or give anyone a clue. Open carry is legal but I can't wrap my head around it. Concealment protects me. But since it is now okay, to open carry I don't have to be as dicreet, so I think I'm going to rethink my carry options again. Now is the time to carry a larger auto for a while.

I think most states that have passed open carry law, their reasoning behind it was in fact to help all the frivolous calls to police from non gun people, who would constantly look and search for those concealed carriers, who were just slightly printing. They would then call police and report and demand something to be done about them ‘brandishing’ their firearm.

The open carry law seems a bit excessive to us folk who carry, because we don’t see the sense or virtue in it. But considering it has put a stop to those who would harass concealed carry holders who have the slightest print?

For that, the law makes a bit of sense.