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Venting - Dog lost his leg yesterday to neighbor's dog

I don't know what I'm looking for in this, I think I just need to vent and feel like this is a safe place to do it since this is the most level headed corner of the internet.

I have two dogs, Charlie who is about 14 pounds and Finn who is about 20. My neighbors have 5 dogs (was 6 until one died a month or two ago) ranging in size from about 15 pounds to a 120 pound plus Mastiff mix.

Yesterday morning my wife went outside for a smoke and took the dogs out as she always does. While they were out, Charlie stuck his paw through a hole under the fence that runs between my yard and the neighbors.

In the past, when he was smaller, he would slide under the fence into their yard, nothing ever came of it. Their dogs and he never had issues.

Yesterday, something was different. My wife heard our dog Finn running up and down the fence line barking at their Mastiff mix, the Mastiff mix doing the same. Then the Mastiff stopped barking, and our smaller dog, Charlie, started screaming. The Mastiff mix had grabbed a hold of his paw. My wife got to him and had to pull him away from the fence to get their dog to let go.

She came inside in a panic crying, I was completely confused at first. Then I saw his paw dangling from his leg. Come to find out, it was attached by skin and two tendons. We found a vet that was on call nearby (the regular vet that we take them to is over 40 miles away) and met him at his office. The bones in his paw were crushed in multiple places, two of the four tendons leading to his toes were completely severed, the skin on his leg had peeled back in places.

We were given the option of amputating his entire leg, having the vet try to clean it and bandage it hoping for it to heel, but warned that this could still lead to him losing it, or to have the vet stabilize it and take him to a specialist. The vet indicated that amputating the leg would lead to him being healed in the least amount of time. He also said its what he would do if it were his dog in the situation. So, given that, we chose to have his leg amputated.

After Charlie was with the vet and being operated on, my wife called the non-emergency sheriff's dispatch for our county, which serves as the point of contact for Animal Control. Animal Control doesn't work on the weekends, so after our dog was out of surgery, we met a sheriff's deputy at our house (ironically a K-9 officer). He took our account of what had happened but since my wife didn't get visual confirmation that it was their mastiff mix that bit our dog (they also have a German Shepard mix), he wasn't sure what, if anything, could be done. He then went and talked to the neighbor.

A couple hours later, the neighbor came over to apologize for what had happened. She feels horrible about it, to the point of crying when talking to the deputy as well as when she came over. She offered to pay for the veterinary bills, however, her husband is a disabled Vietnam veteran and she takes care of him, so I'm very hesitant to take any money from her. She returned today to ask if our dog had come home yet and brought a can of dog bones over for them.

I really do appreciate her gesture and feel that she is genuinely sorry for what happened, but at this point my wife and I agree that talking to her is very awkward and we don't really want to do it right now. We're both still very upset about what happened. We've been irritated by her large number of dogs for most of the time that we've lived in our house (a little over two years) and to have it result in a situation where one of our dogs loses his leg absolutely infuriates us!

The past two days have been a roller coaster of emotions for both of us, going from thinking of all the things we could have done to prevent this from happening, to realizing that this isn't our fault, to being angry and wanting their dogs gone, to trying to look ahead and do what we need to do to keep our dog comfortable and on the path to getting better.

We both realize that things could have ended much worse had our dog gotten his head through to their side of the fence, but we can't help but wonder what this will do to his personality.


This may be the most rambling thing I've ever written. If you've made it this far, I thank you.
 
Very sorry about your Charlie. The neighbor did show remorse. I would say to give yourself some time to take it all in and concentrate on taking care of your dog. Close up any openings in the fence.
 
Sorry for your loss.

I guess I really don't know what to say, either. Sounds like it was a little tough on your neighbor, too... but right now, all I can think of saying is:

"Some folks shouldn't have pets." That's what I'm thinking about your neighbor.

Hope things work out for you. I really do.

Don
 
Luke, first off I wish Charlie a speedy recovery. If I remember correctly this isn't the first time you have complained about the dogs. In this case all I would focus on is that Charlie made it through surgery, and on his recovery. The neighbour clearly feels remorse. Honestly there is nothing you can do in this situation. It happened.

Dogs are resilient creatures. As long as he is met with love and compassion from you two he will be fine.
 
Thanks for your kind words guys, they mean a lot.

I have no doubt that the neighbor feels awful about what happened. I think my wife is angrier with her than I am. I know it's not something that she would ever have wanted to happen, it's just something that happened.

She said she's going to have her son make sure the hole in the fence is plugged, as I will be doing as well. They're planning to replace the fence in the spring, so hopefully that actually happens.

We started putting Charlie on a lead, even though our yard is fenced, because he had been slipping under their fence through holes he would dig. We had replaced his lead a few weeks ago and the new one turned out to be long enough for him to actually get to the fence. I'm kicking myself for not having shortened the lead, but I never would have guessed something like this would happen.

It hasn't even been 36 hours since his surgery, so he's still in quite a bit of pain and in a daze. Once he starts feeling better and acting like the dog that we're used to, I think the whole thing with be a lot easier to swallow. I'm looking forward to having this in the past and finding the "tripod" jokes be funny to us.
 
We had a neighbor dog attack our cat and puncture his abdomen. He very nearly died, but managed to hang in there.

I don't know if you've been advised of this, but you have very powerful legal rights if you or your pet is attacked by a dog. Even if the attack happened on the other owner's property. I'm not one of those people who thinks it's cool to go around suing people because you slipped and fell on their driveway. However, in the case of an animal attack, you should know this:

Laws vary by state, but almost universally, laws are heavily biased against the (attacking) dog owner. When out cat was attacked, we took him to the local college veterinary hospital, and he was in surgery for 8 hours. Our only concern was the health and comfort of our family pet, and any time someone asked us if we wanted some expensive procedure, we said yes. In the end, the final bill was close to $10,000, and in the end all of that expensive surgery undoubtedly saved our cat's life. We submitted the bill to our neighbors' insurance company, and they JUMPED at the opportunity to pay it, in full, no questions asked. We weren't at all nasty or upset with our neighbors; they felt terrible. We didn't even involve them. We just got their insurance policy number and opened a claim.

Insurance companies are genuinely afraid when their clients have dog attack claims, because they ALWAYS have to pay out. There is no determination of fault. If you are the owner, you are liable, period. The only exception - and it's not even all of the time - is if someone attacks you and your dog defends you. Also, in some states, if they break into your house. That's right, there are some states where someone can break into your house, get attacked by your dog, and you still have to pay out damages. I had a friend whose dog got loose, ran out into the street, got hit by a car and killed. She had to pay for the repair of the motorist's car. Insurance companies desperately want to settle, because they know if the issue escalates, they will lose. They also know that if they act like jerks, the victim is liable to claim emotional distress, for which the insurance company is also 100% liable. Even if you have no money, you won't have any trouble finding a lawyer that will take the case on pro bono, because it's an automatic win for them.

I'm not saying that you should be a jerk and take advantage of our legal system. Don't be nasty or vindictive. But make sure that any dime you spend on your family pet is submitted to the owner's insurance company for reimbursement. They will be happy to give you money. And enjoy it, because it's about the only time you'll ever deal with an insurance company that is happy to pay you out.

I'm sorry for the trouble you had, and I hope that I've been helpful...
 
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For clarification, I am not wealthy enough to pay out $10,000 like it's nothing. I did my research on the way to the hospital, and I knew my rights when I made those calls.

I love my cat, but if I didn't have 100% confidence that the insurance company was going to pay out the claim, we would have one less pussycat today.

I am not a lawyer, but it is always a good idea to know your rights.
 
Wow. That's awful. So sorry to hear about it. Hope Charlie heals well & fast. They're all more adaptable than we realize (sometimes more than we are). Hang in there.
 
Terribly sorry to hear about Charlie. FWIW, my aunt and uncle have a dog that lost a leg in a car accident (prior to owning her) and she gets around without a problem.
 
chamm, thank you for sharing this info, I'm going to keep it in mind. I don't feel right taking money from my neighbors knowing their situation, but reimbursement from their insurance company would be a different story. Right now our bills for all of this aren't anywhere near what you had to spend on your cat, we're sitting at about $550 right now, but that could definitely grow.

As you said, our only concern right now is our dog's health and comfort. If we could get the expenses covered without having to take money directly from them, that would be a plus.
 
Yeah, neither you, nor your neighbor should have to pay out a dime. (Except maybe a deductible) If you think about it, this is exactly what insurance is supposed to be for. All we did was ask out neighbor for their insurance information, just like a car accident. We called the insurance company, and they paid all the medical bills, in full, inside of 5 days. You neighbor might possibly be out a deductible, but think of it this way: if you were driving down your street and your neighbor backed into your car, you wouldn't feel bad about filing a claim. This is the same thing, only with dogs.
 
Terribly sorry to hear about Charlie. FWIW, my aunt and uncle have a dog that lost a leg in a car accident (prior to owning her) and she gets around without a problem.

Dogs definitely seem to do just fine on three legs. There was a dog that lived down the street from one of the houses I lived in while in college. We'd seem him tearing down the road on three legs like nothing was wrong with him. I doubt Charlie will let it stop him. I would imagine that he'll be chasing his brother and getting into things within a week or two.
 
Very sorry to hear that, but I have a friend who adopted a 3 legged dog and it doesn't slow her down at all, named her Tres
 
Luke I'm so sorry to hear about your Charlie. I have to commend you on not losing your temper as wouldn't be able to log onto B&B from jail.

It is a very delicate situation with the neighbor and her husband but there is always time to talk later. I think you taking the time to let the dust settle is probably the best idea.

Give Charlie a hug for me and keep us updated.
 
Sorry to hear about Charlie. You definitely made the right call with the amputation. Dogs are awesome creatures and stuff like that don't affect them, as soon as he heals he'll be like nothing happened. There are some companies that make prosthetics for dogs, maybe you should check it out.
All the best for Charlie and you.
 
Sorry to hear about Charlie. You definitely made the right call with the amputation. Dogs are awesome creatures and stuff like that don't affect them, as soon as he heals he'll be like nothing happened. There are some companies that make prosthetics for dogs, maybe you should check it out.
All the best for Charlie and you.

I was thinking about a prosthetic pretty soon after it happened, but the vet said the best way to do the amputation was to take the leg at the shoulder joint, so there's not going to be a stump. Once he's healed it will look like he was born with only three legs. He said leaving a stump often leads to them attempting to use the leg still and having a constant sore.
 
Very sorry to hear that, but I have a friend who adopted a 3 legged dog and it doesn't slow her down at all, named her Tres

:lol: That's one I haven't heard, I like it!

Luke I'm so sorry to hear about your Charlie. I have to commend you on not losing your temper as wouldn't be able to log onto B&B from jail.

It is a very delicate situation with the neighbor and her husband but there is always time to talk later. I think you taking the time to let the dust settle is probably the best idea.

Give Charlie a hug for me and keep us updated.

Thanks Andrew! Agreed on the neighbor, I appreciate her coming over to tell us how sorry she was, but now I think it's best to let things settle for a while.
 

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Sorry to hear about Charlie.
I was taking my dogs for a swim at the beach in the weekend. I saw a three legged dog playing fetch. It was running freely and was one happy dog.
Hope Charlie gets well soon.
 
Dogs are wonderful creatures. Take notes over the next little while and I'm sure Charlie can teach you how to handle some of life's biggest challenges. Strength to you all!
 
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