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I often carry my LCR in my front strong side (obviously) pocket sans holster, but I have a nice high riding holster for it that I usually use.
It’s definitely all in the details isn’t it?Just some more BORING DETAILS.
The FN 1906 is less than an .91" wide at the widest point on base of the the grips and weighs in at 13 ounces unloaded while my LCP measures .87" at the widest point (at the slide lock) and weighs 12.5 ounces. Loaded of course the LCP is considerably heavier that the FN with 6+1 25acps.
Great post.While I own handguns in most of the normal calibers and strongly believe caliber war assertions are simply stupid and that handgun self defense is just like real estate; the three most important factors are location, Location, LOCATION; this topic was intended to address the question of whether there were any handguns that a member felt comfortable pocket carrying without a holster.
I presented two examples that I am perfectly satisfied could be pocket carried even without a holster. There are a few others where I think are somewhat borderline.
Again, from Beretta, there is the Tomcat and Bobcat. They are both small and kinda funny shaped so in a pocket without a holster they do not print as "GUN" but rather mostly as a "kinda round something". They are traditional DA/SA with a very heavy DA trigger and also a very positive manual safety.
Granted, that is one less layer of prevention from an ND than the two above.
The Taurus PT-22 series is similar, DA/SA, very heavy trigger in DA mode and a manual safety.
While the pistols above are either 32acp or 22LR both Beretta and Taurus made 25acp versions that are still generally available.
The common factor to all of these is their small size, small enough to sit securely in one position at the bottom of a pants pocket. They do not tend to move around and so allow a consistent presentation. They are also small enough to not appear as "GUN".
There have been many such Pocket Pistols over the decades and until the late 1960s were pretty much de rigueur. They ranged from really cheap junk to finely crafted and engineered masterpieces. Some examples were the Colt 1908 Vest Pocket that was the same design as the FN 1906 shown in my earlier post and the designs based on the even smaller Baby Browning and the later series from Astra (200, 400, Firecat) that was also sold as the Colt Junior.
All of that generation of pocket guns were banned from importation in 1968, not because they were not effective but rather because they were small, very concealable and most of all, effective.
Well, yes. The Beretta 1919 for one. And it too has the extra layer of safety to make this old fart feel secure. It's even slimmer than the FN but has the grip and manual safety. Honestly, the LCP almost never gets to go WalkAbout and I shudder to imagine carrying it without a holster. The Beretta Bobcat, Tomcat and Taurus PT-22 Poly as smaller than the LCP but wider and they do have the advantage of a manual safety and a heavier DA trigger pull so they also get out far more often than the LCP.It’s definitely all in the details isn’t it?
You have shown us like 10 different pocket pistols. Are there any more specific hat you have OTHER than your FN that will beat the LCP day n width and weight? Just curious.
Where did you get the holster for the Ruger Tim? I would love a good leather pocket holster for my LCP IIThough not my first choice (or second or third) for defensive weaponry, the .380 is better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick.
I prefer my S&W if I m going the pocket carry route...which is very seldom..
As far as the .380 being a competent defensive round. I think there are better choices, but there are plenty of documented cases where a .380 proved to be as lethal as necessary. View attachment 1037485 View attachment 1037486