Except children don't die when daddy forgets to lock up his porn.
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Except children don't die when daddy forgets to lock up his porn.
I am a deer hunter, and I would "tend" to agree with you. I normally don't stick more than 3 cartridges in the venerable "old Betsy" because if I miss with the first shot, the 2nd shot is wasted, and the third one is just sent somewhere because I'm pissed at missing twice!
Having said that-- I will play Devil's advocate. HUNTING as a sport, has nothing to do with the gun debate. The simple answer that would come back from the Clinton camp (and others) would be "How many cops and innocent city kids can you cite that have been shot with a .30-.30 as compared to how many are at peril from firearms of all types with clips that hold more than 10 rounds?" (Strange wording and twisted logic is intentional)
If a person wants to lug an AR-15 out into the woods and shoot a deer, or purchase a Chinese assault rifle from a crate for 160.00 from some gun show table, take it out to deer camp and use it, fine. Let them.
The red herring in all of this isn't the gun, isn't the sport, but it lies in the definition of what is criminal activity.
If I took my 30 -30 into an airport and fired off three shots anywhere, I would be (1) a crazed lunatic, (2) a criminal (3) hopefully target practice for some trained security person who would take me out. I, the PERSON, would be all of the above and more. If I managed to wedge 14 shots into my gun, it makes me just a little crazier, but it makes the gun no more lethal.
If I took an AK-47 into the woods and peppered a poor deer with 27 rounds, I'm just an idiot, not much of a sportsman, and probably a little nuts, but if the weapon I use fits within the current acceptable laws of the state, I'm fine. (If I carry my son's .22 afield during deer season, I'll probably get a ticket, at least in my state!)
We've turned into a nation of weenies. When I pull out a pocket knife at work, a small, 2 1/2" old-timer, to open a taped box, my co-workers recoil, because it was a box cutter that "brought the planes down on 9-11.
It wasn't the box cutters-- it was people, lousy, rotten bad people, holding box cutters.
I've never had a gun fire where I haven't pulled the trigger.
I'm tired of this argument, but I refuse to give up my guns-- and I live in a state where I'm required to carry a Firearms Owner ID card to purchase anything.
The media takes the ball and runs with it. About a year ago, Chicago Bears player "Tank" Johnson was arrested for illegal ownership of guns. He lived less than a mile from my home. The man used bad judgment on many levels, had other questionable things occurring, but I remember the day the media reported that "Over 1,000 rounds of ammunition were found!" I drove literally by his house, seeing the news helicopters from the Chicago media, a crowd of reporters, on my way home from a local sporting goods store, where, for less than $20.00 I had purchased 2 500-round boxes of .22 ammo for some plinking. I had 1000 rounds of ammunition in a small plastic bag on the seat next to me, and ol' Tank had 1000 rounds on a table in his kitchen when the cops broke in with a search warrant. End result? Neither of us is currently on the Chicago Bears, and the Bears are now 4-5 instead of in the Super Bowl as they were last year.
Coincidence? I think not.
The primary problem is that the Constitution leaves it up to me to decide what firearms I own, not Congress. There needs to be less government in our lives not more. Additionally, our government has proven time and time again that it is capable of making neither reasonable nor realistic decisions.
Well, if the grown up kids end up addicted to porn(it happens) because daddy set such a good example and then they act out on it(it happens, Ted Bundy comes immediately to mind), then, yes, they will die. From execution by the state, Aids, syphilis. Just not right away like an unsafely stored gun would. Our actions always have consequences, intended or not.
So the Constitution permits you to own artillery? A tank? A Thompson submachine gun without a special permit? After all, it says "arms," not rifles, pistols, or what have you.
Pro-gun arguments that leave no room for any regulations make as much sense as the anti-gun arguments (referred to by an earlier post) from folks who have never been to a range and just say "guns are bad, guns are bad."
If the Constitution stated explicitly that state and federal legislatures could regulate, but not prohibit, gun ownership, what regulations would be reasonable?
BTW: none of the recent pro-gun judicial opinions, majority or dissent, have said that there can be no regulations.
Death by hairy palms?
Starting to look that way. When I posted the above, I had forgotten that I said almost the same thing on p. 1 of this thread, but that was 27 years ago.
Maybe if you tried to shave them with an out of the box straight razor from Pakistan.
"except children don't die when daddy forgets to lock up his porn"--- this is an asinine comparison if YOU teach your children proper behavior you don't have to worry about too much.right now teaching children proper behavior is out of fashion.it's too hard,difficult on the parents.who in many cases do not want to be parents--they want to be friends with their children.the school system,the government cannot teach your children proper behavior today.YOU have to do it.when i was growing up we had sling shots,bb guns,pellet guns and we NEVER thought about touching daddy's rifles or shotguns.those were for adults.i work at a prison i KNOW what is out there on the streets and as far as i'm concerned everyone needs a weapon in the house for the things that go bump in the night.
Give that man a cigar, or a drink or both!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I was responding to this:
If guns cause crime, then cameras cause pornography.
maybe I should have said.. Cameras don't kill people when they go off by accident.
You can teach your kids all about guns, hell take them hunting for all I care. Do you have the same confidence in all the other parents you associate with?
Someday, one of those parents is going to forget to lock their gun and someone is going to get killed.
The way I see it, you can sit around and wait for people to "be more responsible" and "teach their kids better" - or - you can make it more difficult for them to act upon their stupidity. To me, the latter seems more realistic.
-Mason
Kinda hard to make the world idiot proof. And frankly I wouldn't want to live under a system where the government has that power. Ever read stats on chainsaw accidents? I suppose My Stihl A-390 should be registered and locked up? perhaps we should ban all chains that aren't "Low-kickback". Maybe a mandatory safety course and a 200 dollar renewable license. But only 50 dollars for weed whackers. You know if it saves one life its worth it. Please. Do it for the children!!!!!!!!!!
There is that... but, then one could argue.. who robs a bank with a weed whacker? Who jacks your car with a chain saw?
I'm not in favor of the gubnint over-legislating our lives any more than you are. But I think there are cases where it is warranted. I agree it is somewhat of a slippery slope.
I was raised around guns, so I'm not gunaphobic.. If anything I try to be neutral and see both sides. There's one thing I know, there's too many idiots walking around with guns. I don't know what the solution is.
-Mason
I agree with you that 1000 rounds are not much to worry about. I like to plink cans also. It's a lot of fun.
However what really concerns me is the attitude that goes a long with some of these weapons. If someone goes into the woods to hunt with a Kalishnikov I don't really think they are really there to hunt. Rather, it's about striking a pose. LOOK AT ME I'M RAMBO! I'M POWERFUL! Hunting is just an excuse to carry a powerful weapon. In my opinion having such an attitude is dangerous.
I'm not saying no to guns. I'm against getting rid of guns. Not that it matters a whole lot. If you exclude the U.S. military America has more guns than just about any place in the world. It would be impossible to get rid of them all even if you wanted to. I just want some sanity in the debate.
When Wayne LaPierre says the UN is out to get your guns that is ridiculous. It's playing to the lowest common denominator. He knows that what he is saying is false but there are a lot of people out there who believe him anyway.
I carry with me a Douk Douk with a 3.5 inch blade. I keep it razor sharp. When I pull it out of my pocket people give me the looks too. 90% percent of the time I use it to open boxes and envelopes. No, I don't have any intention of using it on anyone. It's just something I like to have with me. I like knives and I am finding out that I like razors as well.
Best,
DaveS
However what really concerns me is the attitude that goes a long with some of these weapons. If someone goes into the woods to hunt with a Kalishnikov I don't really think they are really there to hunt. Rather, it's about striking a pose. LOOK AT ME I'M RAMBO! I'M POWERFUL! Hunting is just an excuse to carry a powerful weapon. In my opinion having such an attitude is dangerous.
I'm not saying no to guns. I'm against getting rid of guns. Not that it matters a whole lot. If you exclude the U.S. military America has more guns than just about any place in the world. It would be impossible to get rid of them all even if you wanted to. I just want some sanity in the debate.
When Wayne LaPierre says the UN is out to get your guns that is ridiculous. It's playing to the lowest common denominator. He knows that what he is saying is false but there are a lot of people out there who believe him anyway.
I carry with me a Douk Douk with a 3.5 inch blade. I keep it razor sharp. When I pull it out of my pocket people give me the looks too. 90% percent of the time I use it to open boxes and envelopes. No, I don't have any intention of using it on anyone. It's just something I like to have with me. I like knives and I am finding out that I like razors as well.
Best,
DaveS
I didn't read all twelve pages, but does anyone else find it ironic that that a lot of people with guns need them to protect themselves from a lot of people with guns?
I didn't read all twelve pages, but does anyone else find it ironic that that a lot of people with guns need them to protect themselves from a lot of people with guns?
now you know where the term "gun culture" comes from.
Well, maybe those are the most anti gun right behind the parents of children killed by guns. I grew up with guns, I own guns, and I also understand how huge a problem guns are in some cities. Perhaps a few bad apples should spoil the bunch. Maybe the militia should try to get by on long guns.
Good point! I'm laughing...because we lose our perspective. CONFESSION/True story: I spent the month of August miles from civilization on some private land of mine in Northern Michigan. I canned some of my own food in preparation, hauled it in on a boat, and set up a big Korean war canvas tent. Caught a fish here or there, might have popped a squirrel with a .22, perhaps a stray "Pat" made the cooking fire, lots of beanie-weenie, etc.
Coming home, in Suburban Chicago, I saw these squirrels digging up our precious lawn burying acorns. The neighbor on one side was gone, the guy across the street was out of town, and the neighbor on the other side was gone. It was 6 pm, and I thought just one measly shot from a .22 wouldn't make too much noise...and I had a taste for squirrel.
A .22 fired in a residential neighborhood sounds like a howitzer as compared to the deserted woods of Michigan's Upper Peninsula.
Do not try this at home! I put the gun quickly away, got in the car and drove away for an hour or so until the echoes died away.
I tell this story, because it was the first time I've ever felt like a "criminal" doing something I consider normal.
(Squirrel meat is nutritious and delicious!) Now I must use a quiet pellet gun, and even then I do it from behind the bushes.
Thanks. Confession is good for the soul!
Squirrel meat is yummy. Young squirrel can taste better than rabbit.
My Marlin Golden 39A can take .22 shorts. Those are much, much quieter. I've had airguns that made almost as much noise. You might also consider subsonic LR rounds, or rat-shot. My friend had a squirrel problem in his attic that we rectified with rat-shot. Then again, gunfire wasn't all that uncommon in that neighborhood, so maybe noise didn't have much to do with why it went unnoticed.
Yep...I know that...(and that 39A is a Suh-WEET! Gun!!!!!!!!
But I live among tree-huggers, do-gooders, in a state where gun ownership is almost universally linked with gang-bangers, cop killers, all level of bad things. Probably the most politically corrupt state in the US, but somehow they've managed to scare the hell out of the populace. But yes, Squirrel is mucho tasty...and there are so many fat ones just outside the back door of the garage...
