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Tallow versus vegetable Cella! A comparison ...

JCinPA

The Lather Maestro
Well, of course there is no vegetable Cella Crema da Barba, so what the heck am I talking about??

Well, TFS in the red bowl is a classic Italian soft soap (croap) with the classic Italian Almond Cookie smell (Amaretti), but without tallow. It is about as close a clone to Cella original as one can get without tallow. So, after comparing original tallow Tabac to the new vegetable formulation a while back, after using the TFS soap a few times, I decided these two were a natural for a side-by-side comparison, same way I did the Tabac comparison. Many thanks to @Marco for the all the historical information he has provided on both these soaps, and for recommending TFS soaps to me, like all his recommendations I've loved the two I have now tried. Before moving away from tallow, Cella was a Marco favorite, so having a tub of both, I naturally wanted to try this comparison.

Below is my shave rating.

Saturday, February 8​

  • Pre shave - shower
  • Yaqi Ghost 90SB head on DS Cosmetics Spiral Ti handle (China)
  • Dorco Prime blade #1 (Viet Nam)
  • Yaqi Mysterious Space and PAA Amber Aerolite synthetic brushes
  • Cella original and TFS Purissima Per Barba (Both Italy)
  • Thayer's WH (USA)
  • Cella red A/S (Italy)
10/10 BBS.
No bowl, TFS Purissima face-lathered on the right side with the Yaqi Mysterious Space Brush.
Cella Crema da Barba face-lathered on the left side with the PAA Amber Aerolite brush.
I used a new Dorco Prime blade, my new favorite blade (hat tip to @Dtownvino for that recommendation).
I made as close to identical lather consistencies on both sides, which, of course, is easy for me, as I am a Lather Maestro™. :lol:

Outstanding shave! I have a leather neck, apparently, as I can aim for and get a daily BBS shave with no irritation and no need for taking a few days off, now and then. But this shave was fantastic, and, as in the Tabac comparison ... I cannot tell these soaps apart.


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Now, I know many of you will be disappointed, because, darn it, we are supposed to have a winner in a comparison! :mad: But, honestly, I did not detect a noticeable difference in lather density or slickness, in blade feel during the shave, and both the slight problem areas on right and left jaws are BBS smooth. Alcohol burn feel after the shave was the same on both sides. Honestly, no matter how hard I tried, I could not detect a difference. After my same conclusion with the Tabac comparison, I am more convinced than ever that tallow as a shaving soap ingredient is simply not a factor in how good it can be -- neither better nor worse for having it or not having it on the ingredient list.

One thing folks will ask about is the scent. I cannot tell a difference in the scent profile. Some have posted they believe the TFS may have a stronger scent. That may be true, and it seemed that way to me, but my TFS is a new tub and the Cella is about a year old. And the difference was very slight. So I won't give the nod to TFS in this regard because they may be the same on two brand new tubs, but today it was slightly stronger in the TFS. Same scent though.

Another thing people are interested in is the post-shave feel, but I have vowed to never opine on that because I've never had any sensitive reaction to anything and I must have lizard skin, which is the reason I can get a daily BBS shave for months without a break. And since some (very few, but some) have indicated they've reacted to Cella, probably to the scent ingredients, and because for some with skin issues the post-shave feel is important, I simply will not give an opinion. But I certainly could not tell a difference after the shave and I still cannot fee any difference about 3 hours later.

Conclusion: Cella is an iconic, old-school, Italian barber classic shaving soap. It would be hard to find another as iconic, except, perhaps, Proraso green. I just love it! I think I will reload with the TFS when the time comes, however. I am agnostic between tallow and non-tallow soaps, but if you keep a tallow soap long enough, it can go a little off. I don't think the vegetable formulations tend to do that. But if you are not a died-in-the-wool tallow acolyte and you like Cella, I would say buy the TFS with confidence.

I did not have another person around to load the brushes for me, but I would bet real money that in a blind test most people would be unable to differentiate these two soaps. Well, maybe Marco could, but he's unusual, perhaps unique. The rest of us mere mortals would have a difficult time detecting any difference between these two soaps.

I highly recommend either of them if you live under a rock and not have tried Cella yet. :lol:

Bring a Bluetooth speaker and your phone to the bathroom for your shave and play this:


And pick up some Italian almond cookies and have a couple with an espresso after your shave. :thumbup:
 

JCinPA

The Lather Maestro
That is true, sir, my bad! I meant to say a tallow Cella original. Actually my son is half Asian, so not much beard and shaves maybe 2-3X per week. But he loved the Cella original when I taught him to shave, he calls it the “Santa Claus” soap because the shaver in the logo reminds him of Santa.

But while visiting one weekend, he absconded with my Cell Extra Extra Bio. He’s not a shaving enthusiast, these are the only two soaps he’s ever used, but that is now his favorite—and only —shave soap.

I had forgotten about that one, I may have to reload, I remember being blown away by it. Thank you for the correction!
 
Great write-up! I thoroughly enjoyed it.

I’ve been trying my best to like the original Cella soap, but I’ve never been impressed with the shaves. I also tend to get red after using it. After reading more about it, I learned about the “Cella Burn,” an irritation some people experience from the oil in the soap.

Later, I tried the non-tallow Cella the Bio variant, and I had no issues at all. It’s a really good soap, and it’s a great product for the price. If I didn’t already have a lot of soaps, I would definitely consider trying Cellas new offerings.
 

JCinPA

The Lather Maestro
@Rhody I am worried now that I caused confusion. My apologies.

Cella, tub OR brick both have tallow in them.

The TFS does NOT have tallow.

The Cella Brick is the same as Cella tub - yes to tallow.

The TFS, AFAIK only comes in a tub, no brick. I could be wrong, though.
 

Rhody

I'm a Lumberjack.
@Rhody I am worried now that I caused confusion. My apologies.

Cella, tub OR brick both have tallow in them.

The TFS does NOT have tallow.

The Cella Brick is the same as Cella tub - yes to tallow.

The TFS, AFAIK only comes in a tub, no brick. I could be wrong, though.
Sorry I’m easily confused. But I did go and look basically the red tub and brick are tallow. Tfs comes in a brick. I’ve been tempted to get it but cella red tub was one of the few tubs I’ve thrown away because after a considerable time of non use it looked pretty ugly. I can’t say it was mold per se but it was odd enough where I just tossed it. I’ve read where people store the brick in the freezer but I think that will not go over to well in the household. lol.
 

JCinPA

The Lather Maestro
@Rhody that should not happen with the TFS. Get a tub and see if you like it. I’ve never understood the brick, except for people who pretty much use one, maybe two products, which is not most of us. If you’re rotating 5 or more soaps, forget bricks, just use tubs.

What I notice after a year or more is Cella starts to dvpevelop little pills in it. Weird.
 

Marco

B&B's Man in Italy
@Rhody that should not happen with the TFS. Get a tub and see if you like it. I’ve never understood the brick, except for people who pretty much use one, maybe two products, which is not most of us. If you’re rotating 5 or more soaps, forget bricks, just use tubs.

What I notice after a year or more is Cella starts to dvpevelop little pills in it. Weird.
I do agree, if you like having at least half dozen soaps in rotation at the same time the tub is preferable to the kilo brick. Furthermore, both are dirt cheap.

Tallow-free soaps do not develop weird colours or stinky smells over time. Sadly, tallow soaps do. That is the main reason why I am no longer using tallow.
 
…if you like having at least half dozen soaps in rotation at the same time the….

Tallow-free soaps do not develop weird colours or stinky smells over time. Sadly, tallow soaps do. That is the main reason why I am no longer using tallow.

So can I interpret this not as non-tallow is better or preferred, but ‘I have lots of great soaps in the rotation and do not want any of them to spoil (scent wise) with time”?

On a personal note, after about a year or so my tub of Cella Red stopped smelling nice, and several months later the smell became distinctly unpleasant - but the performance was still there. Note: always let the tub dry out for a half day or so to dry out before closing.
 

Rhody

I'm a Lumberjack.
I do agree, if you like having at least half dozen soaps in rotation at the same time the tub is preferable to the kilo brick. Furthermore, both are dirt cheap.

Tallow-free soaps do not develop weird colours or stinky smells over time. Sadly, tallow soaps do. That is the main reason why I am no longer using tallow.
Sounds like a reasonable approach. Over the years I’ve thrown away some but it’s hard to know if this spoilage is bad for you.
 
So can I interpret this not as non-tallow is better or preferred, but ‘I have lots of great soaps in the rotation and do not want any of them to spoil (scent wise) with time”?

The main thing that causes soap to go bad is oxidation. To keep soap from going bad, best to keep it sealed up in a place that is cool, dry and away from light. Letting the soap dry after each use is a good idea.
 

JCinPA

The Lather Maestro
Great write-up! I thoroughly enjoyed it.

I’ve been trying my best to like the original Cella soap, but I’ve never been impressed with the shaves. I also tend to get red after using it. After reading more about it, I learned about the “Cella Burn,” an irritation some people experience from the oil in the soap.

Later, I tried the non-tallow Cella the Bio variant, and I had no issues at all. It’s a really good soap, and it’s a great product for the price. If I didn’t already have a lot of soaps, I would definitely consider trying Cellas new offerings.

Oh, Lord forgive me. I really have caused confusion here.

THERE IS NO NEW CELLA OFFERING!

I was trying to be tongue in cheek, and riffing off my tallow/non-tallow Tabac comparison thread.

All Cella Crema da Barba shaving soap (red tub), whether tub or brick contain tallow. I have no knowledge of them ever changing this.

I was referring to the TFS Purissima da Barba as "Vegetable Cella" in jest!"


I am now sorry I titled this that way, I'm afraid, I am causing a lot of confusion.

Anyway, if anyone liked Cella red, but had issues with it, TFS is probably inexpensive enough that you should try it if you like the scent. Both are great soaps. For those who would prefer non-talllow or are agnostic, as I am, I would recommend the TFS product over the Cella. Not because it shaves better or smells better, but because you can likely use it indefinitely without any chance of its going "off" on you.
 

Marco

B&B's Man in Italy
So can I interpret this not as non-tallow is better or preferred, but ‘I have lots of great soaps in the rotation and do not want any of them to spoil (scent wise) with time”?

On a personal note, after about a year or so my tub of Cella Red stopped smelling nice, and several months later the smell became distinctly unpleasant - but the performance was still there. Note: always let the tub dry out for a half day or so to dry out before closing.
Sir, a quality soap is a quality soap and this has nothing to do with tallow or its absence. The main point is that only soaps containing tallow after some time develop an awful smell and I simply cannot tolerate it any longer. Hence, tallow-free soaps are my sole choice now.
 

JCinPA

The Lather Maestro
@Marco The master chimes in! Absolutely! Those who feel they MUST have tallow in their soaps for it to perform, IMNSHO are wrong.

Cella original is wonderful soap. The TFS is wonderful soap. Left in the den long enough, the Cella will probably go a little off, but, at least to my knowledge, the TFS will not. Both are terrific.

My top-tier soaps in my den are (in no particular order):

  • Ethos Grooming Dragon's Beard - tallow
  • Stirling Varen - tallow (mutton tallow, actually)
  • TFS Purissima da Barba - non-tallow (has replaced Cella for me, but Cella is EXCELLENT)
  • Saponificio Veresino Felce Aromatica - non tallow (king of soaps, and soap of kings! :lol: according to Marco)
  • Santa Maria del Fiore - non-tallow
  • Tabac - both tallow and non-tallow, both are outstanding
Marco is exactly right. If you think having or not having tallow as an ingredient is the determining factor for how great a shave you can get, you're entitled to your opinion ... but you're probably wrong. It's the talent of the soap maker and the right ingredients that make a great shave soap.

The Dragon's Beard has the most complex ingredient list I've ever seen in a shave soap, by far. The TFS Purissima da Barba could not be simpler. Both give me heavenly shaves.

When I'm not playing around with something new, the above are the staples I'll probably trim my den down to for the "permanent collection". I get a very comfortable, daily BBS from ANY of those, and can do it every day without any irritation.
 

Marco

B&B's Man in Italy
@Marco The master chimes in! Absolutely! Those who feel they MUST have tallow in their soaps for it to perform, IMNSHO are wrong.

Cella original is wonderful soap. The TFS is wonderful soap. Left in the den long enough, the Cella will probably go a little off, but, at least to my knowledge, the TFS will not. Both are terrific.

My top-tier soaps in my den are (in no particular order):

  • Ethos Grooming Dragon's Beard - tallow
  • Stirling Varen - tallow (mutton tallow, actually)
  • TFS Purissima da Barba - non-tallow (has replaced Cella for me, but Cella is EXCELLENT)
  • Saponificio Veresino Felce Aromatica - non tallow (king of soaps, and soap of kings! :lol: according to Marco)
  • Santa Maria del Fiore - non-tallow
  • Tabac - both tallow and non-tallow, both are outstanding
Marco is exactly right. If you think having or not having tallow as an ingredient is the determining factor for how great a shave you can get, you're entitled to your opinion ... but you're probably wrong. It's the talent of the soap maker and the right ingredients that make a great shave soap.

The Dragon's Beard has the most complex ingredient list I've ever seen in a shave soap, by far. The TFS Purissima da Barba could not be simpler. Both give me heavenly shaves.

When I'm not playing around with something new, the above are the staples I'll probably trim my den down to for the "permanent collection". I get a very comfortable, daily BBS from ANY of those, and can do it every day without any irritation.
The Lather Maestro has spoken. :ouch1:

P.S. It was me to suggest your Custom Title. But shh... let's keep it a secret. Oh, probably it's too late, John. :001_unsur
 
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