Tabac vintage soap West Germany

[Raz0rboy]

I’m Italian but I’m a big fan and supporter of USA soaps artisan . DG / Grooming Dep / B&M and others really changed in better my shaving routine .

But this stuff gent … Wow This stuff comes from an other world …
stored for decades and after 20 seconds in the bowl this is the result . Slick dense leather and with a gently scent .
Nothing special about the brush, A Colonel in best .
10 x better of the last tallow version
I don't know INCI but but I'm sure I've used worse things
I hope you like the photos
Good Sunday everyone

 

[Multum in parvo]

There is a Tallow Tabac Tuesday group around @JAHE if you want to join.

 

[Cracker]

I know what you mean. The stuff we had here in West Germany back in the days (Tabac, Sir Irisch Moos, Kaloderma Rasiercreme etc.) was beyond everything. But, according to German government and the EU this stuff was supposed to be skin cancer in a bowl and pure poison.

 

[Multum in parvo]

Dreiring the manufacturer went insolvent but neither their shaving soap lineup nor the government/EU was a big factor for their failure.

Dreiring-Werk – Wikipedia

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[CJB3]

I’m Italian but I’m a big fan and supporter of USA soaps artisan . DG / Grooming Dep / B&M and others really changed in better my shaving routine .

But this stuff gent … Wow This stuff comes from an other world …
stored for decades and after 20 seconds in the bowl this is the result . Slick dense leather and with a gently scent .
Nothing special about the brush, A Colonel in best .
10 x better of the last tallow version
I don't know INCI but but I'm sure I've used worse things
I hope you like the photos
Good Sunday everyone

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I 100% agree with you. Tallow Tabac is a fantastic soap. I like modern artisan soaps too, but many days, I prefer tallow Tabac. It whips up such a high quality lather with minimal effort.

 

[JAHE]

I 100% agree with you. Tallow Tabac is a fantastic soap. I like modern artisan soaps too, but many days, I prefer tallow Tabac. It whips up such a high quality lather with minimal effort.

What CJB3 said. IMHO, the lather performance of tallow Tabac easily holds up with the majority of the best modern artisan soaps...

See you on Tuesday

Tallow Tabac Tuesdays

It is a turning point. I resisted the idea at first, but finally I had to face it. Mäurer & Wirtz have let Tabac, loved by many for its fragrance and revered for its performance, die... Now the popular saying goes that a deceased is not dead as long as there are people who knew the deceased and...

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(I pause in August due to hosting "All Aventus August", but I'll chime in in September again. Can’t wait... ).

 

[macintoshBR]

It Looks awesome!

Here’s a photo of the latest Tabac tallow lather, AFTER face lathering with a Muhle STF M brush. Tabac tallow is such an Amazing soap.

 

[Cracker]

Dreiring the manufacturer went insolvent but neither their shaving soap lineup nor the government/EU was a big factor for their failure.

Dreiring-Werk – Wikipedia

de.m.wikipedia.org

The manufacturer of Tabac (and 4711 and others, Mäurer & Wirtz) didn't went insolvent and I doubt it ever will be.

Dreiring belonged to Henkel and was then sold off to Dalli who sourced the Dreiring plant out as a contract manufacturing plant (mostly for no-name labels of discounters, supermarkets or drug stores). Dreiring was sold by Dalli to Kappus (then the biggest soap manufacturer in Western Europe) in 2005 which went insolvent due to mismanagement of an old fart who dindn't want to accept that the world is changing in 2018, 2020 it was saved by an investor from Munich. The Company was restructured. The Dreiring plant was closed down finally in January 2020.

But all that has absolutely nothing to do with Tabac (except that it is connected to Dalli, the CEO of Dalli is Hermann Wirtz).

 

[Multum in parvo]

The manufacturer of Tabac (and 4711 and others, Mäurer & Wirtz) didn't went insolvent and I doubt it ever will be.

Dreiring belonged to Henkel and was then sold off to Dalli who sourced the Dreiring plant out as a contract manufacturing plant (mostly for no-name labels of discounters, supermarkets or drug stores). Dreiring was sold to Kappus (then the biggest soap manufacturer in Western Europe) in 2005 which went insolvent due to mismanagement of an old fart who dindn't want to accept that the world is changing in 2018, 2020 it was saved by an investor from Munich. The Company was restructured. The Dreiring plant was closed down finally in January 2020.

But all that has absolutely nothing to do with Tabac.

Only as far as Dreiring produced the tallow formula Tabac and after their closure M&W had to move to another manufacturer which only provided a vegan base for it…

 

[Cracker]

Tabac is and was produced in Stolberg by Mäurer & Wirz since the 1950s, never at Dreiring.

 

[Multum in parvo]

Tabac is and was produced in Stolberg by Mäurer & Wirz since the 1950s, never by Dreiring.

The scent and brand yes, the tallow soap not.

But, according to German government and the EU this stuff was supposed to be skin cancer in a bowl and pure poison.

The change of the formula to the current vegan base had nothing to do with the German government nor the EU but with the insolvency of the manufacturer Dreiring which I tried to convey in my post.

 

[Cracker]

The scent and brand yes, the tallow soap not.

Nope. Ask them.

The change of the formula to the current vegan base had nothing to do with the German government nor the EU but with the insolvency of the manufacturer Dreiring which I tried to convey in my post.

I never said that. I was referring to the old soaps from the 1980s.

The change of the new non-tallow formula (not sure if it's really vegan) was a necessity of the market, because in Germany we tend to prefer non-tallow soaps since a couple of years, and also due to disputes regarding animal farming etc.

 

[Multum in parvo]

Nope. Ask them.



I never said that. I was referring to the old soaps from the 1980s.

The change of the new non-tallow formula (not sure if it's really vegan) was a necessity of the market, because in Germany we tend to prefer non-tallow soaps since a couple of years, and also due to disputes regarding animal farming etc.

Dreiring produced for M&W Tabac shaving (and body/bath) soaps on a contractual basis. You recounted the history and end of Dreiring earlier yourself.

The move away from tallow is indeed a European thing but many soap producers could cope with it - Dreiring could not.

M&W is a parfume house so the soaps are really a niche in their product line. As this is the shaving soap sub forum for sure people lament the demise of Tallow Tabac without taking away the success of other M&W products.

 

[Raz0rboy]

Thanks to all for the replies in the thread .
Some pics of the outer box for the expert .

 

[Multum in parvo]

Thanks to all for the replies in the thread .
Some pics of the outer box for the expert .

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Well the reunion was in October 1990 so it predates that.

 

[EclipseRedRing]

My guess is that soap is no earlier than 1988, so between 1988 and 1990.

 

[Multum in parvo]

I guess there was also a transition phase after 1990 to use up remaining stock of W. German printed packaging materials…

 

[nemo]

My guess is that soap is no earlier than 1988, so between 1988 and 1990.

Yes, no earlier than '88 seems right -- no yellow dot.

 

[nemo]

Here @Raz0rboy I have your eau de cologne

 

[Cracker]

M&W is a parfume house so the soaps are really a niche in their product line. As this is the shaving soap sub forum for sure people lament the demise of Tallow Tabac without taking away the success of other M&W products.

You are so funny. Everybody knows that they are foremost soapmakers, and they started as such in 1845. The first Tabac product was a bar soap (1951), not a fragrance by itself.