Restoration help needed for 1940's SS

[shm]

This is restoration project #3 - I'm hooked, this is fun

I need some help with this Super Speed (Aristocrat Junior?)

I've managed to take the razor apart with no difficulty whatsoever.

I'm guessing that the TTO knob is pressed onto the handle (like the Fat Boy and Slim Adjustable), with the groove in the handle keeping it put when the doors are opened.
The knob is loose, and now I'm just wondering if there is another locking mechanism for the TTO knob; a locking ring that might be missing or something like that?

If I assemble the razor and turn the knob, the knob is twisted out from the handle and only if it is pushed upwards the doors opens (am I making sense her?)

I got another razor like this with the same problem, so it would be nice to know what to do, so they both can be saved.

 

[Darjeeling Express]

Great break down pics. I'm looking forward to the resolution. Good luck!!

 

[cooncatbob]

There are little nubs where the door assembly goes through the base plate, these need to be bent back out to prevent the door from pushing out the top and the knob from pushing out the bottom.
Seeing as you got the screw out you must have figured out the reverse threads.

 

[82R100]

It was my understanding that there's a little ring that should be in the groove to retain it. It can be improvised from a piece of wire. This has been done before.

I'll search around a little.

- Chris

 

[highball]

It was my understanding that there's a little ring that should be in the groove to retain it. It can be improvised from a piece of wire. This has been done before.

I'll search around a little.

- Chris

You have to wrap some wire around the notch on the outside of the razor, then squeeze down with pliers to reset the lock ring

 

[shm]

There are little nubs where the door assembly goes through the base plate, these need to be bent back out to prevent the door from pushing out the top and the knob from pushing out the bottom.
Seeing as you got the screw out you must have figured out the reverse threads.

Yes I found those nubs, but I've added a couple of more pics of another SS with the same problem, and here you can see, that the doors are closed and the TTO knob is pushed out. (Beware this razor has not been cleaned yet).
That is why there must be some thing to keep the TTO knob locked to the handle.

It was my understanding that there's a little ring that should be in the groove to retain it. It can be improvised from a piece of wire. This has been done before.

I'll search around a little.

- Chris

Are you talking about the groove in the TTO knob? that would make sense to me, otherwise I don't quite understand where it should go.

You have to wrap some wire around the notch on the outside of the razor, then squeeze down with pliers to reset the lock ring

You lost me there with the word reset, as there is no ring.


Thanks for your help so far Gentlemen, it is highly appreciated , I would really like to be able to save these razors

 

[shm]

Bump.

Still hasn't figured it out.

 

[T Rick]

First, a question. Did this condition exist before dis-assembly?
If the answer is yes, I am going to take a guess, based on 82R100's post above. Please remember, this is a guess, and will require confirmation.

An example of what I think may be needed can be seen on the inside of a common screw bit holder (commonly called an apex) used in a screw gun or power drill. These metal rings retain the screw bits in place, yet allow them to be easily removed for changing to a different type or replacement.

If my guess is correct, that same type of metal ring (slightly less than a full circle, which it was said can be fabricated from a piece of wire) will go in the notch, then the TTO knob would be able to be snapped in place.

 

[shm]

Right.
I was also thinking in that direction, but wasn't quite sure if this was the case, but it kind of make sense I think.
I'll see if I can get a ring that fits or manufacture one from some wire that doesn't rust.

Thanks again

Hopefully one step further to a fully functionally razor.

 

[T Rick]

Right.
I was also thinking in that direction, but wasn't quite sure if this was the case, but it kind of make sense I think.
I'll see if I can get a ring that fits or manufacture one from some wire that doesn't rust.

Thanks again

Hopefully one step further to a fully functionally razor.

Please, as I said, it was a guess! Let's see if anyone here can verify the guess was correct before you go to the trouble (I'd hate to find out I was wrong, and because of that you'd gotten it partly together and could not get it apart- or damaged it in the process!).

Let's find out for sure from someone who's had one apart- is there a ring in this groove?

 

[jsrdrnr]

awesome breakdown pic. Makes me want to take mine apart and clean it up really good. Though it is working just fine and I wont.

 

[cooncatbob]

Actually there isn't a snap ring on the knob, there's a internal ridge inside the handle barrel and a external ridge on the knob the knob is snapped into the handle barrel.
When these ridges become worn the knob is unable to be retained.

 

[shm]

Okay, so if it is the ridges inside the handle barrel which is worn, it will be quite difficult to restore the razor then.
Well, I'm not giving up just yet.

I might as well take the other razor apart and see if some of the parts are less worn, and maybe of the two I can assemble one good razor.

Thanks again.

 

[cooncatbob]

Okay, so if it is the ridges inside the handle barrel which is worn, it will be quite difficult to restore the razor then.
Well, I'm not giving up just yet.

I might as well take the other razor apart and see if some of the parts are less worn, and maybe of the two I can assemble one good razor.

Thanks again.

I can probably fix your handle.
I just fixed a Senator with the same problem
I mounted the handle in my lathe and ran the lathe in reverse.
I used a small round nosed bit and pressed it into the groove in the handle, restoring the inner ridge.
Then install the handle and gave it a quick rap with a soft headed mallet snapping it back into position.
BTW. Your razor is rather crusty.
I would see how well it cleans up first, Super Speed are pretty common.

 

[cooncatbob]

You might be able to perform this repair yourself.
Roll the razor with the head hanging over the edge with the back edge of a dinner knife in the groove, bear down while rolling back and forth and you might be able it enlarge the inside ridge enough to hold the knob in.

 

[shm]

Thanks a lot, I'll definitely give the last solution here a try.

 

[VR6ofpain]

You might be able to perform this repair yourself.
Roll the razor with the head hanging over the edge with the back edge of a dinner knife in the groove, bear down while rolling back and forth and you might be able it enlarge the inside ridge enough to hold the knob in.

Wow the metal (brass?) is soft enough that it works? Interesting stuff Bob!

 

[timmy]

Just saw a tool made from a copper tubing cutter to fix this exact issue

http://badgerandblade.com/vb/showthread.php?t=122282

 

[calcustom]

Thanks shm and everybody for bringing up and addressing this issue.
I had a user grade that I had all but given up on and may be able to save now.

 

[Pike]

Just saw a tool made from a copper tubing cutter to fix this exact issue

http://badgerandblade.com/vb/showthread.php?t=122282

+1>>>this gent came up with a good idea!