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Question for soap experts…

Which of these soap bases would be more durable for a soap bar?

1) sodium tallowate, sodium cocoate, glycerine…..

2) sodium palmate, sodium palm kernelate, palm kernel acid, glycerine…..
 
excuse me, Sir Frito Ray, but I'm certainly not a 'soap expert'!
But durability is not a huge factor for me with bath bars.
So many nice bath bars, I enjoy the hard milled versions with unique scents.
Not sure what the ingredients are!
I just experiment and go from there!

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Too rich for me!

I know that there are soap makers on this site and hope one or two of them would comment on the two soap bases mentioned in the first post.
 
I'm not an expert, but I've made and used my own soaps several times.
As I recall, tallow, cocoa butter, and palm oils all make soaps harder. On the other hand, glycerine makes soap softer. So, without knowing the formula or final proportions, any answer would have to be a guess.
 
I have only used one bar soap for last 20 years it is from Trade Joes.

I’ve been using unscented Dove for many years but my last batch (16 bar pack from Costco) seemed to melt away in no time flat and left a white buildup on my comb (use it as shampoo too). Will finish what I have but will wait a while before purchasing again.

Are you after which of the bars that will provide a longer lasting bar of soap? I assume we are taking bath soap here right?

Given that the first one with tallow will probably be a longer lasting one but I'm just guessing since I cannot punch it into a soap calculator right now.

Thank-you for your reply:thumbsup:

Yes, it’s for a shower and kitchen sink soap.

The company I’m looking into makes many varieties of soaps, but most are either of the two bases mentioned previously, with different oils and scents added. Luckily they list the ingredients they use but obviously not the percentages.
 

blethenstrom

Born to häckla
I’ve been using unscented Dove for many years but my last batch (16 bar pack from Costco) seemed to melt away in no time flat and left a white buildup on my comb (use it as shampoo too). Will finish what I have but will wait a while before purchasing again.



Thank-you for your reply:thumbsup:

Yes, it’s for a shower and kitchen sink soap.

The company I’m looking into makes many varieties of soaps, but most are either of the two bases mentioned previously, with different oils and scents added. Luckily they list the ingredients they use but obviously not the percentages.
Dove soaps are for the most part not "real soaps". They use SLS and SLES in theirs to make it lather. Not saponified fats and oils like real soaps.

Either of the ones you listed will be fine but I would personally go with the tallow one. I'm a fan of animal fats in my bath bars. I use lard in my personal ones.
 
Dove soaps are for the most part not "real soaps". They use SLS and SLES in theirs to make it lather. Not saponified fats and oils like real soaps.

Was not aware of that, but they did the job for many years.

While I’m disappointed with whatever happened to the last batch, perhaps it’ll be for the best and I’ll enjoy the real soaps better.
 

Old Hippie

Somewhere between 61 and dead
Yes, it’s for a shower and kitchen sink soap.

At the kitchen sink (and in the bathrooms) we use Dr. Bronner's Baby Unscented. Now, that's a liquid soap. We find it convenient. My bath soap is Dr. Bronner's bar soap, again unscented. Hair and beard gets washed in Dr. Bronner's liquid mint soap. (Which only I use. Mrs. Hippie has an acquired allergy to mint so she stays with the unscented. She also uses some hypoallergenic shampoo which I'd have to go look to see what it is.)

I've not heard good things about shaving with Bronner. They make a "shaving soap" but it's loaded with a lot of stuff I don't want on my skin, like sugar of all things. Seems to be directed at the leg-shaving segment of the market. At the moment, shaving with Yardley while I contemplate my next batch of tallow-based shave soap.

O.H.
 
At the kitchen sink (and in the bathrooms) we use Dr. Bronner's Baby Unscented. Now, that's a liquid soap. We find it convenient. My bath soap is Dr. Bronner's bar soap, again unscented. Hair and beard gets washed in Dr. Bronner's liquid mint soap. (Which only I use. Mrs. Hippie has an acquired allergy to mint so she stays with the unscented. She also uses some hypoallergenic shampoo which I'd have to go look to see what it is.)

I've not heard good things about shaving with Bronner. They make a "shaving soap" but it's loaded with a lot of stuff I don't want on my skin, like sugar of all things. Seems to be directed at the leg-shaving segment of the market. At the moment, shaving with Yardley while I contemplate my next batch of tallow-based shave soap.

O.H.

I’ve shaved with Dr Bronner’s liquid almond and peppermint. The almond is a richer lather but they’re both slick enough for anything but a straight.

For the OP, for bath soaps I’ve liked Yardley’s tallows. Used a lot of castiles as liquid. Currently really liking Kirk’s Aloe Vera bars in the shower. It’s better and cheaper than the Dr B bars to me.
 
I used to use Sunlight laundry bars in the kitchen because the soap was pretty hard and last a very long time, alas they don’t make them anymore.
 
The second one, if it's triple milled. That is the typical start of an ingredient list for really expensive bath soaps. You can use a 6-oz bar for 3-4 months with those (again, if they are triple milled).

I use both tallow and non-tallow soaps in the shower and I don't think either is actually superior. In my experience, nothing is better than Acca Kappa or PdP or really any of the big, famous companies' triple-milled tallow soaps. Not only do they lather wonderfully and smell great, but they leave your skin feeling soft and enriched. Can't go wrong. But they are expensive. Truefitt and Hill brands an excellent bath soap in the West Indian Limes scent that is fantastic. It's a much better scent than what is in the shaving cream of the same name.

All this is to say that life is short. Buy yourself the best bath bar you can afford and enjoy it. *



*Or pick up a bar of Yardley in a scent you like for $1.25 at Dollar Tree. This is the best cheap bar of soap on the planet. It punches well above its weight class. Seriously. You have to try it to believe how good it is.
 
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