There are still oddities, but I find them manageable. For example it seems plausible, if unproven, that Leicester marked the F razors "PAT.NOV.15.04.N" to avoid the appearance of British imperialism.
The short version, as Edgar's already said, is that we're really not sure what the "N" represents there. Yours is a particularly interesting one, though, because it pulls this style of marking back even earlier than Edgar's example above. It's also curious that your serial number is space-padded, where incuso's earlier F-series example possibly had a zero-padded serial number -- unfortunately the original images were remotely hosted and are no longer available to double check.
Does your case have the British patent declaration on the bottom as well, Achim?
hmm, I´m a little bit confused. This thread mentioned your PAT.NOV.15.04.N razor. My razor shows the serial number F 59 205. But I thought it´s a bad stamp and means B 59 204. If that´s a US serial number, it would date him to 1909. That looks right about the design of the razor, the Script trade mark case and the 1908 instruction
but apparently the best guess is that at the time the French really preferred not seeing British Patent numbers ... So the British used the US patent and added the N suffix on some razors
Other theory suggests that the F razors were made in France, E razors in England and H razors in Germany, but no solid evidence to back up that theory.
the most what I know, I´ve learned on B&B - great forum!
thanks all for your help
As chief proponent of the last mentioned theory, my proposition is that some of the F and H series were made in Paris and Berlin, namely the ones bearing the US marking protocol (patent on outer barrel, ser# on guard plate) shown in red on the Wiki. There is historical reference to factories briefly producing razors in Paris and Berlin around 1909.
I'd think that if they ever produced razors in Paris and Berlin, the French and German ads from that period would have mentioned it, instead of mentioning the factories in Boston and London, and the German company E.F. Grell, Importhaus - Hamburg, that imported the razors to Germany?
Here's the 1911 German ad and one from 1909.
French ad too, with the address in London.
For the record, I'm well aware that you know FAR more about this, I just find it weird, if indeed they produced razors in France and Germany why they kept mentioning only Boston and London, or the company that imported the razors.
And btw,I'm not saying your theory is wrong, I'm asking you what you think about this.
I understand, btw there's also this 1908 German ad, same thing as the others:
Maybe I'll have to read your thread again one of these days.
But thanks for clarifying, George.
On a more current note, is there anything in the 1908 instruction that accompanied your razor that may provide a clue as to the place of manufacture of your razor...like perhaps.... is it in French?
It is interesting that the instruction sheet, which was presumably contempory with the razor, shows Paris and Berlin (not Hamburg) under the list of offices and factories. Leicester is not mentioned, and we have no way of knowing whether the locations mentioned fell under one category or the other or both. My personal opinion is that Paris was online early 1908 and Leicester mid 1908, but there is also an opinion elsewhere that London was used as Leicester was not all that well known.