I recently bought a G34 9mm and was excited to get my wife on the range so she could try it. I was able to shoot 3 mags (50 rounds) flawlessly. Every time she pulled the trigger, it either jammed or stove piped. Is there a softer recoil spring for the Glock platform. Never had a problem with the M&P Shield or Taurus G2. She lands every round with the 1911 45 ACP. I hope there is a solution.
Need help with Glock issue....
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Sounds like she is limp wristing, but to answer your question you can buy aftermarket guide rods and lighter springs.
Sounds like you hit nail on head, LIMP WRISTING, and a 9mm G-34 don't have much recoil. Are you used 115 GR FMJ, or bring to teach her on hot JHP Plus P Loads?
Might try her with only two round in magazine, then came one, and try shooting Glock only two rounds total at a time for a while.
Gen 3, 4 or 5?
Yes they sell aftermarket springs....gen 3 easier to find/tune.
Just get her some Winchester NATO 124...that may solve the issue with function?
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Yes they sell aftermarket springs....gen 3 easier to find/tune.
Just get her some Winchester NATO 124...that may solve the issue with function?
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No experience with Glock but this was my first thought as well. I mean...my very first thought. You shot flawlessly but she jammed and stove piped. I immediately thought limp wrist.
Show her how to apply varying degrees of finger pressure to the grip. From top to bottom the index finger using the most pressure, slightly reduced pressure for the middle, a bit less for the ring, down to the pinky using the least pressure. See if that reduces the misfeeds.
I agree with the consensus of limp wristing. Might try creating some isometric tension of pushing forward with the strong hand and pulling back with the support hand, hard to limp wrist when you do that.
If she has has small hands a Glock may feel weird to her.
dry firing awhile until she gets used to it.
dry firing awhile until she gets used to it.
Spent many years volunteering at local public shooting range as safety person. Say many firearm not work as built, internal problems, could not hit paper.
Many time I was allowed to TROBLE SHOOT, 5 Shots at 5-7 Yards, firearms functioned great. Owner was problem.
Junk Firearm like Saturday Night specials are junk, unreliable, true.
Many time I was allowed to TROBLE SHOOT, 5 Shots at 5-7 Yards, firearms functioned great. Owner was problem.
Junk Firearm like Saturday Night specials are junk, unreliable, true.
1. Good the gun works for you
2. Concur that limp wristing is likely in play
3. Glocks work best with stock parts and spirited ammo, when you start changing these parameters, bad things start happening.
When I competed and was gaming/reloading (4.3 231/HP-38 w a 124 FMJ), I used a recoil spring that had been in a g35 40 cal ( steady diet of full power 165/180 factory ammo) good and broken in. I was NEVER tempted to do anything else based on the equipment malefactions I have seen with aftermarket gear
All of that to say, the likely time/talent/treasure that will need to be spent to get that G34 reliable for the wife, I would spend the same on other platforms that she already shoots confidently and well. A 9mm 1911 would likely work well if the 45 does for her already.
2. Concur that limp wristing is likely in play
3. Glocks work best with stock parts and spirited ammo, when you start changing these parameters, bad things start happening.
When I competed and was gaming/reloading (4.3 231/HP-38 w a 124 FMJ), I used a recoil spring that had been in a g35 40 cal ( steady diet of full power 165/180 factory ammo) good and broken in. I was NEVER tempted to do anything else based on the equipment malefactions I have seen with aftermarket gear
All of that to say, the likely time/talent/treasure that will need to be spent to get that G34 reliable for the wife, I would spend the same on other platforms that she already shoots confidently and well. A 9mm 1911 would likely work well if the 45 does for her already.
Seconding all the limp wrist posts. I have the same gun and ran into the exact same issue when I took first time shooting friends to the range. With a loose grip the gun recoils back too far interferes with the slide trying to eject the casing and this causes the gun to jam. Overly recoiling the whole gun backwards goes in the same direction as the slide and prevents it from finishing its full ejection process.
Don't fiddle with the gun. Teach her to grip it properly, and if she can't, get her another gun. You've proven the gun runs. Fiddling with it could lead to problems. Train her to the gun, don't modify the gun to her. Bad idea.
One more thing. I'd consider getting your wife a lesson with a female instructor at your gunstore range if one is available. It will take a lot of potentially emotional dynamic out of her training. Once she gets past the basics you can go to the range together and you can coach her if you're so inclined, but I'd let a professional instructor get her started. They'd have sorted out her issue in minutes on her first range trip, most likely.
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Problem solved. She just needed to concentrate on a firmer grip and locking her wrist. I don't want to blame Glock, but she never had a problem shooting the M&P Shield, Taurus G2 or my 1911. My NJ shooting buddy has 2 Sig Saur s (9mm & 40) and she was able to shoot both with no problems. I'm guessing the larger grip and longer barrel on the Glock are factors also. I think with a little more range time she will be fine with it. I must say, I've been shooting for 45 years, been a member of several gun clubs and am a certified RSO and pistol trainer. I have never seen, nor heard of the "limp wrist" phenomenon. I guess an old dog can learn a new trick. Thanks for all the input.
Particularly after the 1986 FBI shootout, and the increasing spread of lighter framed pistols (notably Glock, but alloy Sig & S&W as well), there was more training emphasis on locked wrist and single-hand failure-to-eject clearance drills with autos. "Limp wristing" also occurs when you have a couple of fingers shot off.
I can certainly understand that! I have a 1911 that was heavily smithed by a well-known master pistol smith in Georgia and when my son-in-law shot it, it doubled a couple times. I worried about it and sent it back to the smith who fired it and said it was fine and sent it back to me with his suspicion my SIL was limp-wristing it. First time I heard of it, and it was true. Got him straightened out right away.
Glad it worked out! That S&W series are terrific guns!
I am going to be a wet blanket based on shooting a Glock since 1991 and seeing literally 100K+ rounds go downrange with Glocks-if she has had no problems with the varied platforms you have described and really has to bear down and concentrate to make a g34 work, this is the wrong gun for her outside of the play/plink context.
Bearing down and really concentrating works, right until the time it does not when the shooter is task saturated because of time constraints and/or the accuracy standard and/or somebody is trying to hurt her and/or somebody she cares about etc.
Query- has she picked a gun for herself that she owns and maintains as opposed to shooting yours?
Bearing down and really concentrating works, right until the time it does not when the shooter is task saturated because of time constraints and/or the accuracy standard and/or somebody is trying to hurt her and/or somebody she cares about etc.
Query- has she picked a gun for herself that she owns and maintains as opposed to shooting yours?
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I think you may have misunderstood. This Glock was not ever meant for her personal protection (unless I'm holding it). I bought it to play with the old fogies in my club on the IDPA range. She picked out a S&W Shield EZ and shot many rounds at the range and wound up hating it due to the beaver tail safety, that required a stiffer grip than the Glock to engage it. She could do it, but it required some effort. Got rid of the EZ because of the grip safety and she still couldn't rack the slide. My wife is very demure, with tiny hands and simply lacks the grip and strength to overcome the stiff springs in all these semi-autos. We have experimented with revolvers and I am hoping to find one she can handle. As it stands she can't pull the hammer on any of my revolvers and her index finger can't cycle the action on my double actions. My original post was curiosity about why the Glock was more difficult to cycle than the others. She loves to punch paper at the range and I had hoped my Glock would add to her fun. She has no aspiration to become a tactical shooter, but I intend to find something she can safely handle to meet her protection needs. She's a good shooter. Disciplined and not at all recoil averse. She just has a strength handicap. We will figure it out.
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