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Naniwa 12k Finish

I just bought a Naniwa 12k super stone as a finisher to compliment th Norton 220/1000 and 4000/8000 combo stones. Everything I am reading recently is about Coticules, Shaptons, Jnat and Eschers. How good of an edge can I expect from the Naniwa? Did I pick the wrong stone?
 
Naniwa 12000 is a very fine finisher. A step above what most people use even. Some of us are just... well...

You know the guys who wax the walls of their tires?
 
I can get a really nice edge of the 10K. I haven't tried the 12K but they should by all means be similar & the 12K be even finer.

One of the maybe most well regarded honemeisters of all, Martin @ Rasurpur finishes all his razors with the 10K & then just strop on Kanayama linen/leather.

And I'm yet to hear one single person who is dissatisfied with an egde coming from him.

So no worries, it is more in the user then the tools when it comes to honing.
Most people stop brushing their teeth once they are clean. But there is a few out there who goes beyond that & aren't satisfied until their gums bleed :lol:
 
The Naniwa 12K is a great finishing hone as already stated. After that, you can strop on leather untreated with abrasives and then shave. However, I recommend you put "something" between the 12K and the untreated leather strop.

After the 12K, I use 0.25 micron diamond on felt most of the time. At times, I use 0.3 micron chromium oxide on balsa.

Then, to the untreated leather strop.
 
The Naniwa 12K is a great finishing hone as already stated. After that, you can strop on leather untreated with abrasives and then shave. However, I recommend you put "something" between the 12K and the untreated leather strop.

After the 12K, I use 0.25 micron diamond on felt most of the time. At times, I use 0.3 micron chromium oxide on balsa.

Then, to the untreated leather strop.

How does the .3 chromium oxide on balsa stack up against the .25 diamond on felt?
 
I don't think it makes much difference whether you use 0.5 micron chromium oxide or 0.3 micron chromium oxide (Kremer Pigments) or 0.25 micron diamond, or you name it in that grit range. In fact, going from 12K to untreated with abrasives leather works. If you don't use an abrasive of some type, you just have to strop a little longer to tame and sharpen it to shave readiness.

But, that doesn't answer your question below...

How does the .3 chromium oxide on balsa stack up against the .25 diamond on felt?

The diamond cuts faster than chromium oxide. That is the primary difference. Some believe chromium oxide produces a milder smoother bevel and edge than diamond. I can't detect any difference in the final edge, so use diamond simply to save time. (But, admittedly, it doesn't save a huge amount of time.)

Also, diamond is less messy, easier to use than chromium oxide.
 
I use almost the same exact hones. The Naniwa 12K is friggin awesome and it will give you a great polish/finish on an edge. I do like to use an Escher after wood just because it adds just a touch more to the edge. Will you be disappointed, no....:thumbup1:
 
I don't think it makes much difference whether you use 0.5 micron chromium oxide or 0.3 micron chromium oxide (Kremer Pigments) or 0.25 micron diamond, or you name it in that grit range. In fact, going from 12K to untreated with abrasives leather works. If you don't use an abrasive of some type, you just have to strop a little longer to tame and sharpen it to shave readiness.

But, that doesn't answer your question below...



The diamond cuts faster than chromium oxide. That is the primary difference. Some believe chromium oxide produces a milder smoother bevel and edge than diamond. I can't detect any difference in the final edge, so use diamond simply to save time. (But, admittedly, it doesn't save a huge amount of time.)

Also, diamond is less messy, easier to use than chromium oxide.

Thanks. You saved me from re-exploring CrOx. I do like diamond pastes. Quick, easy and smooth (if you don't over do it).
 
I'm still there often, but Swedish framebacks made me come back. It's like they were made for Coticule edges!

Yes they are :thumbup:

The 10,000 grit stone is for a very high polish of the edge. The quality is like a sword polishing hone. You can nearly shave with a razor which has been honed on this stone. (Just try a good stropping with the Cordovan hanging strop without any paste and you will be amazed.)
I am using the 10K in the end for all razors and I do not use any paste after that; just the cordovan strops.

From http://www.rasurpur.de/english/shop/shop.html
 
In Germany the Naniwa Superstone 10.000 (not the chosera) is the most highly regarded finisher with our honemeisters.
It gives a most outstanding polish (extreme mirror, deep dark luster) and is absolutely not expensive.
A little chromium oxide or another paste will give perfect results
 
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