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Milk Buying Dilemma: Quality vs. Quantity vs. Value

Gents,

I've had a debate going with myself for a while now about how to weigh the different options for my weekly milk purchase, so I thought I'd seek some input.

I generally drink just shy of 1 gallon of milk per week. Prior to my latest real-food kick, I just bought whichever brand had the cheapest gallon in a plastic jug, figuring that milk is milk. But lately I've been trying to eat local and/or organic as much as possible within my weekly grocery budget of about $65. Hence my current dilemma: when it comes to milk, how can I best weigh the benefits of local/organic against the huge price difference.

I have three main choices for brand. I shop at Dillons (a Kroger store), and the Kroger brand of normal skim milk is usually $2.99/gallon. The organic milk I've bought is a private-label brand called Private Selection, which sells for $2.99/half-gallon, so $5.98/gallon. Then there's a truly local brand that comes from a nearby farm called Iwig, which sells in glass bottles for $3.70/half-gallon, so $7.40/gallon.

My main reasons for choosing organic/local have more to do with supporting small business and sustainable environmental practices than they do with what goes in the milk. For this reason, I prefer the local milk, which also happens to be the most expensive. It tastes incredible, and because it's so fresh it has a much later expiration date than the standard brands without resorting to UHT pasteurization like the organic brands often do. But at $7.40/gallon, it really eats at my budget.

The private label organic is a possible price compromise, but many of these private label organic brands source their milk from the organic equivalent of factory farms - still thousands of cows packed in terrible conditions and minimal grazing, with the only difference being that they eat organic feed instead of regular. Kroger refuses to disclose the dairy source of their private label brand and won't answer questionnaires regarding dairy conditions, so it's a bit of a crap shoot on that one.

Finally, there's plain old Kroger brand milk. Cheap and tasty enough. Kroger has eliminated the use of rBST in all of its dairies, so at least the cows are probably less prone to growth-hormone related maladies like mastitis, but odds are they are still raised in the factory-farm conditions I oppose.

This is certainly a personal decision, but do you gents have any suggestions for how best to weigh the price/quality/responsibility factors?
 
I'd go for the good stuff and find a way to compromise elsewhere in the budget. Maybe instead of a prepared/pre-packaged food, you could cook from scratch. Or maybe you could go vegetarian one or two days a week and put the money saved towards what you want. I switched to vegetarian Monday-Friday mostly for health reasons (it works :smile:) and it also cut back on the food bill. So I think you should take a look at everything you usually buy and see if you can make some changes or compromises to save a few dollars.
 

Isaac

B&B Tease-in-Residence
I say go with Silk Almond Milk personally...

I know its a bit expensive, but out of your choices, I think I would support the local dairy. Perhaps see if they sell directly out of the farm.
 
By buying from your local farmer you're doing a noble thing. Milk producing farms have a hard time. I think many of the "local" farmers do the distribution and marketing themselves (or in co-ops), and they set their prices in such a way that they can sell the milk at a reasonable profit.

The farmers that are producing for the Krogers brand are selling their milk for less than what it costs to produce and they're only managing to stay above water through subsidies. That's not to say they don't deserve to eat, or pay their bills, or that they're bad people. It's just how it is (or at least that's how I understand it---I'm no expert in dairy commodities). We all have to do what we can to survive.

I like to help the local guys as much as possible. I've known a few dairy guys and they've all been salt of the earth types whom I respect. I'm glad I can help support them in some small way by purchasing their products when I can.
 
I myself am a charter member of Team Cheapskate, and I still say go with the local organic option. Here's my reasoning:

1) You said that the local producer's product is your favorite as far as taste and quality goes. Given that you drink a fair bit of milk, drinking the local product would add to your general quality of life, and also possibly your overall health and well-being. It's up to you how much of a price tag you'd like to put on that, but I tend to value it pretty highly.

2) You also say that "My main reasons for choosing organic/local have more to do with supporting small business and sustainable environmental practices than they do with what goes in the milk". I'm with you on not wanting to support either traditional factory farms or even their organic equivalent. Yes, both of these options are "cheaper" as far as the price tag goes, but the true cost of both of these products are not included in that figure. There's the farm 's impact on the environment, and all that transportation uses up a lot of fossil fuel as well. Again, it's up to you to put a number on those costs for yourself, but you must at least consider that amount when you figure the ultimate cost of the factory-farmed, non-local product, as well as asking just who will ultimately have to pay that cost.

From what you said, it sounds like your only reason for considering anthing else besides the local milk is price, am I correct? If so, are there any ways that you can find an extra $4.41 per week? To me, that sounds like one less trip to Starbucks or a couple of slices of pizza less per week (but I don't know your situation, and so can't judge...) Perhaps there is a way to volunteer at your local farm in exchange for a lower price for your milk; it's always worth asking... I know this might be heresy, but what's your shaving budget per week or month? Any way you could economize there?

Ultimately, the question that you must answer is: "Are my everyday actions in agreement with my thoughts and feelings on this issue?" Not to be a curmudgeon, but I detect some cognitive dissonance here... Ask yourself: "If everyone knew what I do about this process and felt as I do about the problems of factory farms suddenly started buying only local organic milk, how long would those factory farms survive, and how would I feel about that?" A journey of a thousand miles starts with one step...

It sounds like you've probably already read this, but I found "The Omnivore's Dilemma" by Michael Pollan to nicely set out the arguments for becoming a locavore. I know that reading it made a difference in where and from whom I buy my food.

Whatever your decision, understand that life is a series of compromises and no one is blameless in this world. You have already put way more thought into this that most folks, and should be applauded for that. Don't feel bad about yourself, whatever your decision may be. Please let us all know how it goes!
 
Next time you go to the market, put the cheap milk in your basket along with $4.41. Then look at the good milk. Given everything about both selections, which would you rather take home?

Honestly, I can't think of another good way to compare based on any valid economics principles. Originally I though maybe put something else in the basket or two gallons, but that adds other factors that make the comparison invalid.
 
Buy as good of high quality, local foods as you can afford and don't feel guilty about what is not in your budget. Let those with plenty of disposable income do the heavy lifting. When finances allow, there'll be plenty of opportunities to use your money to help create the world you want to live in.

Since you say the milk is really delicious, I'd prioritize this over other "vote with your wallet" decisions. Myself, I love the taste of the two local organic milks in my area (Strauss and Stornetta, which I grew up with as a kid). Mmmmmm.

Roger
 
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Luc

"To Wiki or Not To Wiki, That's The Question".
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First, congratulation for trying to go local and organic.

I would check with the local milk on how it's processed and if you are happy with it. Also, if you like the taste it's a plus.
 
Wow, all great replies in this thread. This is my first interaction and post in this community and I am happy to see so many open-minded and thoughtful (non-cynical) responses. I can mostly just echo what has already been said.

It appears you've already done a good amount of research into your options, and I think you've chosen the burden of this knowledge for a reason, so do what you know is right when you can. It's OK to spend a couple extra bucks and splurge on the local organic milk if that's what you want, and it sounds like it is ;) I think it's easily justifiable in just about every sense when you look at your own criteria; price is just a number, and a skewed one at that. As Walter said, cheap milk isn't just cheap, it's unsustainably cheap, it's an illusion created by subsidies. If anyone thinks you're crazy for spending that much on milk, they're missing the bigger picture. Besides, whose voice do you hear questioning the cost of it, yours or the voice of consensus?

Try to make up for it elsewhere, in my opinion.

My girlfriend (whom I live with) was, at 19 years old, a waste management and sustainability consultant with Whole Foods in FL, and has since moved into working with a local non-profit focused on developing local economy, alternative currency, and sustainable/ethical business practices. She has transformed the way I look at such seemingly simple questions as this, because it's not just a matter of what's cheaper, as you and I both know.

Just out of curiosity, have you looked into or considered raw milk? There are a couple raw milk options where I live, and excluding the initial share buy-in, the cost comes to $8/gallon, similar to what it appears your local dairy charges; due to Colorado law (where I live), raw milk is not allowed for retail, you must be an owner or part owner of an animal to consume its raw milk products.

There are many purported benefits to raw milk, including higher content of Vitamin A/D/E, Omega-3, antioxidants, etc. Also, many people who are considered lactose intolerant are able to drink raw milk since the beneficial bacteria which assists in digestion has not been destroyed through the pasteurization process. Aside from all that, it has a very rich taste you won't find elsewhere. Also, given its richness, maybe you'd feel less compelled to burn through it?

If the raw milk debate interests you at all, this is a GREAT read:

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2008/04/0081992

Sorry if this comes off as long-winded or preachy :( I tend to get frustrated because I feel like I've reached this awkward middle-ground in my own life where I've got this burden of knowledge and feel a need to take the next steps to enacting all these lifestyle changes, yet there is so much inertia to overcome in our society; people get downright nasty and defensive when you even begin to suggest they have other options to living healthier...
 
It seems I'm going against the grain here, but I'd buy the cheap stuff. I am not now, nor do I think I will ever be, in the financial position to spend upwards of even $5 on a gallon of milk.

And hey, I'm all for organic foods. I think they're wonderful and I totally see the appeal. I also try to support local business as often as I can. I often dream of the day when organic products will be as affordable as their chemical/pesticide/hormone ridden counterparts... but I don't see it happening any time soon.
 
If you like the local stuff, purchase it. I think it is good to support local farmers and artisans. Be aware however, that the term "organic milk" is pretty vague. For all we know, the cow may never have even set foot in a pasture.
 
If you like the local stuff, purchase it. I think it is good to support local farmers and artisans. Be aware however, that the term "organic milk" is pretty vague. For all we know, the cow may never have even set foot in a pasture.

That's one of the benefits of going with local farm/dairy products, because you actually have the choice to see the conditions.

A quick search also revealed that the USDA recently amended the regulations regarding organic certification and how it relates to livestock pasturing:

http://www.usda.gov/wps/portal/usda/usdahome?contentidonly=true&contentid=2010/02/0059.xml

"The majority of organic dairy and ruminant livestock producers are already grazing animals and maintaining pastures that meet the requirements of this rule."

Beginning in June, it will be enforced. That's a pretty big step in ensuring that the term "organic" maintains its integrity.
 
That's one of the benefits of going with local farm/dairy products, because you actually have the choice to see the conditions.

A quick search also revealed that the USDA recently amended the regulations regarding organic certification and how it relates to livestock pasturing:

http://www.usda.gov/wps/portal/usda/usdahome?contentidonly=true&contentid=2010/02/0059.xml

"The majority of organic dairy and ruminant livestock producers are already grazing animals and maintaining pastures that meet the requirements of this rule."

Beginning in June, it will be enforced. That's a pretty big step in ensuring that the term "organic" maintains its integrity.

Good post. Thank you.
 
Wow guys, there are some awesome responses here, thanks for all the input!

Thanks for the reassurance that I'm not crazy for paying significantly more for what is pretty clearly the superior product. They do actually sell the milk directly at the dairy for less than in stores, but it would be a 30-40 minute drive both ways to get out to the farm, so the gas used would probably eliminate any savings that way. The dairy in question is actually in fairly dire financial straits, to the point that it has recently offered shares of private stock in the farm to raise extra income. Clearly the recession has hurt their business, as families that used to buy their milk are forced to settle for the cheap stuff.

If it's of any interest, here is the website for the dairy: www.iloveiwig.com

Wingnut, it was actually Michael Pollan's other book In Defense of Food that turned me on to organic/local foods. I've been very health conscious since my days as a vegetarian for health/ethical reasons in high school. Learning to eat well helped me lose nearly 75lbs and keep them off. The organic/local movement helps me pair that nutrition focus with my economic and environmental beliefs - I just wish my paycheck allowed for more use of the local food coop and farmer's markets. For now, I optimize my organic purchases using the Environmental Working Group's "Dirty Dozen" and "Clean Fifteen" lists. Regarding my shaving budget, it's been a bit extravagant in the past but I've really tried to minimize my gear this year. In fact, keep your eyes peeled in the next few days for a huge sell-off of my unused and/or unneeded stuff.

Lime, I've read quite a bit about raw milk recently and have certainly considered trying some. I discovered there's a dairy about 20 minutes from here (not the one mentioned above) with Jersey cows that sells raw milk on the farm, which is the only way it can be obtained in Kansas. The one thing that makes me a bit leery of raw milk is that, while it's probably not as dangerous to an otherwise healthy person as the government suggests, there are still outbreaks of disease on occasion related to its consumption. Obviously the benefit of buying at the farm is that I could see the cows and establish a comfort level with the overall cleanliness of things, but given that I'm not lactose intolerant and already supplement with Vitamin D and Omega 3, I'm most comfortable with the local dairy that uses low-temperature vat pasteurization. If I ever get a free weekend and some extra cash, however, I'm tempted to go and at least try the raw milk to see what it's really like.
 
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Hi Kyle. I hear you about the Iwig milk. I grabbed a 1/2 gallon at The Merc a few weeks ago just to show my girls there really is milk out there that separates if you let it sit. I think it was the Iwig. Maybe not. Anyroad, it is not homogenised and even the lower percentage butter fat versions will achieve a skim of cream at the edges of the jar. I don't know how to explain it but it tastes fuller somehow. That may sound weird but it really does taste different and better. In reality with our family of four we go through two gallons a week at least. We stick with store brands but I will tell you that only Dillon's store brand EVER makes expiration date without going bad. We have had Hyvee, Walmart, Roberts, and others go bad well before the expiration. Most times we use it up before we get near the date but the only one that ever makes it Dillon's. Tells you something about the "safe" ultra pasteurised milks eh?

Methinks there may be some skullduggery with the entire organic/non organic milk industry. At the same store, the organic cream is $4 per quart. The non organic is $4 per quart at Dillons and Hyvee. Why the disparity in the milk and not the more pricey cream? Strange.

Regards, Todd
 
I find myself in the same situation regarding milk (and I drink ALOT of it). We're going with the local option 4.99 for a half gallon of local, non-homoginized (but not raw, so it's pasturized) milk.. However, that includes a 2 dollar deposit on the glass bottle the milk comes in at our CSA. So for us it's a really good choice.

I also find myself drinking less of the 'good stuff' which ends up making a gallon go farther, whereas with the cheapo milk (read: walmart or publix) I end up quaffing it rather quickly.

Nutritionally, I KNOW the good stuff to be better.
Environmentally, I KNOW the good stuff to be better.
Taste-ally, I KNOW the good stuff to be better.
Financially, I KNOW the good stuff to be worse.

That's it. It's not easy that's for sure. I'd recomend looking hard into CSAs that might be able to help you or making trips straight to local farms and buying "for pet use only" stuff that is perfectly fine for consumption (unless you are VERY young infant, I think this is even blurry). Also see if there is a 'cow-share' in your area, this is a stretch but who knows... you might even look at founding one, depending on your situation.

Best of luck, and drop me a PM if/when you start liquidating some shave stuff... I'm in the opposite situation from ya I suppose: my income went up (I became employed, thank god) and my needs have stayed the same so I'm suffering from a weakness of nerve when it comes to buying stuff. Maybe I can help...

D
 
Hey Kyle. I just read your second post. I am going to put up a raw milk post to get some thoughts.

Regards, Todd

+1. I was raised in central Wisconsin so it wasn't like we had to search too hard to find a dairy farmer who was willing to sell raw milk out of the vat. It is worth checking out raw milk.
 
I try to go local as much as possible, or within the surrounding areas. I am lucky that a grocery near by carries such things and allows local vendors to sell goods outside of the grocery, a sort of farmers market where I can ask the people about the foods. Somethings just taste better. I notice it mostly with fruits and vegatables.

It might be a little running around but I would like to suggest farmer's co-ops as well. Often times I can get the veggies and such I want at a lower price than from a grocery store.

Back to the milk. I notice that I might pay a little more for he organic milk but to me it just tastes better and I'll actually drink it. It also seems to be better in some of the cooking to do. Cakes and ice cream for example. I'd be wasting if I got a full gallon of a plastic jug. I also echo the suggestion above that is to buy within reason. I don't mind supporting local when I can, but I am not going to turn my pocket inside out and drop $15 for a gallon of milk.

You mentioned that there is a dairy near you. You could probably also find out where their milk goes and who they deal with. I remember getting fresh milk on the farm when I was a kid. My uncles and aunts had dairy cows and we'd have it for breakfast. French toast with a glass of moo. Delcious.

Just to throw another one in, anyone fans of goat milk?
 
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