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Making or Stuffing your own cigs; Beretta cig tubes

This is for anyone that stuffs your own/makes your own (SYO or MYO) cigarettes, like I do - or for anyone considering this option of smoking.

For those unfamiliar, this is where you buy a carton of empty cigarette tubes, filtered or non-filtered, loose tobacco in a pouch/can/bag and a hand-held or table-top injector.

By stuffing my own cigarettes, a carton of smokes costs me anywhere from $8.00 to $13.00 depending on the brand of tobacco I'm using.

Aside from the federal tax increase on cigarettes that took place back in January, here in Mississippi we also suffered a state tax increase. At the time, this took my brands of cigarettes from $11.00 a carton to $28.00 (Seneca) and from $26.00 a carton to $50.00 (Camel). After these 2 tax increases, I only bought Seneca because I couldn't afford Camel anymore.

Then the federal government passed a new law requiring all cigarettes to be fire-safe. This is called FSC or Fire-Safe Certified. This was done by adding chemicals to the tube paper or by adding mysterious thicker rings at different intervals along the tube. For me, and most smokers, this immediately made cigarettes even more unhealthy (additional chemicals being inhaled from the FSC retardant) and taste even more yuck! Not to mention the mess. Thanks to FSC, the ashes were always falling off while I would smoke the cigarette and before long, I had ashes all over the place. People started running around trying to find old stock that didn't have the letters FSC in the barcode on the packs.

So I went SYO/MYO. It took a little getting used to, especially that darned little hand-held injector machine. I would always put too much tobacco in it and it would jam up or rip my tubes. But I finally got the hang of it but it was a slow process. Then I moved on to a table-top injector which made my smoking life a lot easier and faster. I use an injector made by Gambler and love it. It can be seen here: http://kwe-ltd.com/items/tubecutmachine/image1.jpg

The main reasons for this post is to make others considering this option in cigarette smoking aware of the money savings and to tell you about a new cigarette tube that I have switched to and absolutely love:

I use a brand of tubes called Beretta (a Beretta reference on here that isn't about a gun?? yes!). I prefer these tubes over all others because they don't use bleach to whiten their tube paper like all other pre-made companies (Camel, Marlboro, Winston, etc.) and all other tube/rolling paper companies (Gambler, Premiere, Top, ZigZag etc.) do. Instead, this company uses an oxidation process to whiten the paper. Oxidation = oxygen. Not only is this more environmentally friendly on the company's part as they aren't polluting the environment with their manufacturing process but you can also taste the difference when smoking one of these tubes. You don't get the bleach chemical taste. Beretta Tube Company is a new company on the market as of 2010 so chances are you won't find these tubes at your local tobacco shop. I had to order them online until I finally got one of my local shops to start stocking them. Currently they only offer a Full Flavor tube but are working diligently on a Light tube and a Menthol tube. Oh yes, these tubes also make an interesting fashion statement as the filters are black with 3 shiny silver bands on the filter. Since you can't buy the tubes directly from the company, I don't think I'm breaking any rules by posting a link to their web site. If I am, mods, feel free to remove the link and admonish me with the understanding that I am not employed by this company and have nothing to do with them other than buying their product at my local tobacco shop.
http://www.berettatube.com/
 
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so this post got me thinking....

would i be able to buy these materials and pack pipe tobacco into the tubes? i realize it's going to be a lot less enjoyable of a smoke than sitting on the porch with a nice whiskey, but i'm thinking lunch break time frame here.

is that a terrible idea?
 

OldSaw

The wife's investment
so this post got me thinking....

would i be able to buy these materials and pack pipe tobacco into the tubes? i realize it's going to be a lot less enjoyable of a smoke than sitting on the porch with a nice whiskey, but i'm thinking lunch break time frame here.

is that a terrible idea?

I just had breakfast today with another driver that does this with pipe tobacco. He uses a plain tobacco, i.e. no flavorings or special blends.
 
so this post got me thinking....

would i be able to buy these materials and pack pipe tobacco into the tubes? i realize it's going to be a lot less enjoyable of a smoke than sitting on the porch with a nice whiskey, but i'm thinking lunch break time frame here.

is that a terrible idea?

Most MYO/SYO tobacco is now labeled pipe tobacco thanks to a new tax on "cigarette tobacco" signed into law last month that I forgot to mention. This caused loose cigarette tobacco to double in price so the loose tobacco companies simply made use of a loophole in the law and relabled their packaging as pipe tobacco, because the new law didn't include pipe tobacco.

As for true, honest pipe tobacco I wouldn't recommend it. Most true pipe tobacco has a high moisture content, many almost to the point of being sticky and this doesn't play well at all with the injector machines, hand-held or table-top or electric. If you can figure out a way to get true pipe tobacco into the tube, I'm sure it would make a great smoke. If you're looking for an excellent tobacco that will give you somewhat of a pipe relation but can be stuffed in a tube, try a brand called Red Cap Blend No. 7. It's made by ZigZag and is a nice "pipe/cigarette" blend that includes Cavendish pipe tobacco blended in with the normal Virginia and Burely cigarette tobacco. I buy it by the 16 oz. bag (1 pound) for $15.00 and it'll make roughly 2 and a half cartons of cigs if you stuff right and don't waste or overstuff any tobacco but you for sure will get 2 cartons of cigs from it. That comes to $7.50 a carton if 1 bag only gets you 2 cartons. Add that with $2.50 a carton for tubes and that makes a carton of smokes using the Red Cap cost $10.00. Even less if you make the tobacco last for 2 and a half cartons.
 
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I just had breakfast today with another driver that does this with pipe tobacco. He uses a plain tobacco, i.e. no flavorings or special blends.

Yes, tobacco comes in all kinds of mixes. You can get Full Flavor/Original, Natural (which you're speaking of), Light/Mild, Menthol/Mint and some even have flavors like cherry, vanilla, blueberry, etc. Most people buy full flavor/original tobacco for use in full flavor tubes or light/mild tobacco for use in light tubes. Myself personally, I use a light/mild tobacco in a full flavor tube (Beretta of course) and it makes for a perfect smoke to me.
 

OldSaw

The wife's investment
That's just great. The re-labeling won't masquarade for long before the Feds raise the tax on pipe tobacco too.

I better buy a few tins of McClellands soon.
 
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Also, an FYI on that pipe tobacco loophole, if you're a MYO/SYO smoker or a pipe smoker, you need to be contacting your reps and senators in Congress to fight the attempt to close the loophole. A bill was introduced called the Tobacco Tax Parity Act of 2010 which does nothing but close the loophole and more than quadruple the tax on pipe tobacco. This means all you pipe smokers too will be paying something like 700% more for your tobacco than what you're paying now. Currently, pipe tobacco is taxed at $2.83 a pound but if this law passes, it will be taxed at $24.78 a pound. More info about it here: http://nomoretobaccotaxes.com/archi...bacco-to-be-taxed-at-roll-your-own-rates.aspx

The bill has been sitting in the House Committee on Ways and Means since January 13, 2010.
 
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so this post got me thinking....

would i be able to buy these materials and pack pipe tobacco into the tubes? i realize it's going to be a lot less enjoyable of a smoke than sitting on the porch with a nice whiskey, but i'm thinking lunch break time frame here.

is that a terrible idea?

I have toyed with this before but never with extremely successful results. It just doesn't seem to work right.
 
I tried this a few years ago (though not with tobacco :devil:) and had the same problems you describe with tubes getting ripped and jammed. What makes the new machine you got better, and what'd you pay for it?
 
I tried this a few years ago (though not with tobacco :devil:) and had the same problems you describe with tubes getting ripped and jammed. What makes the new machine you got better, and what'd you pay for it?

I use a machined called the Gambler Cigarette Tube Cut Machine. It's a tabletop machine with a crank handle on it. It measures about 7 inches wide by 7 inches long. Here's a picture:
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As you can see in the picture, it has the adapter for king size or 100 size cigarettes. It's the little metal clip piece coming down the front side.

You can find these machines, and others, anywhere from $30 on eBay to $50 in a local tobacco shop. I bought mine for $40+tax in my local shop. The average price I've seen them for at online tobacco shops are roughly $35+shipping but a couple of the shops offer free shipping if you order a certain dollar amount so if you get one online, maybe go on and buy tubes and tobacco from them too to increase your order dollar amount for any free shipping offers.

With this machine, I have not ripped or torn the first tube. If you fill it too much with tobacco or with mostly flakes and dust, it will just simply jam up and you can't turn the crank, instead of shoving it all in the tube thereby ripping it.

My dad uses a different one. It's called the Top Top-o-matic. Same pricing scheme from store to internet. He says he loves it and has no problems with it as well. YMMV. Here it is:
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Yes, tobacco comes in all kinds of mixes. You can get Full Flavor/Original, Natural (which you're speaking of), Light/Mild, Menthol/Mint and some even have flavors like cherry, vanilla, blueberry, etc. Most people buy full flavor/original tobacco for use in full flavor tubes or light/mild tobacco for use in light tubes. Myself personally, I use a light/mild tobacco in a full flavor tube (Beretta of course) and it makes for a perfect smoke to me.

Hi there,

Yeah, you're certainly right about the many varieties and styles available in tobacco products. It can take a while to sort through the options and find out what works best for you. Pairing the right tubes with the perfect tobacco would require some trial and error.

I did read about those Berretta tubes and they seem to be getting good reviews, although you're right about them being very new. There's a good RYO forum you might enjoy reading and maybe posting in. Maybe you're already a member..who knows. The place has some energy to it, with some good people posting. See what you think if you go to the forum section. www.ryorevolution.com

Next time you're at a tobacco store, you might like to take a look at something called a 'halfzware' shag. This would be something like either Bali Shag Light or Blue versions, and both are nice examples of that type. Another suggestion is the very tasty PS Amsterdam Shag. Unfortunately, they're all very expensive(as of last year), but one pouch might be worth a try. I'd bet money you haven't tasted anything like this stuff. and no clue if you'd like it. Halfzware blends in general are very full flavored and make for a fairly strong(but not harsh) smoke. A full zware is extremely potent, but hard to find in the US. Heh, some of those are pretty intense, both in flavor and Vitamin N kick.

I have been smoking only various zware(in my youth) and halfzware types since 1973. That's when I first tasted the stuff, having been a Luckies guy for years. Well, that was the last time I bought any pre made smokes. I've been twisting em up for myself for 37 years now...one paper and no machine. I make em look like a Lucky in 10 seconds.......heh. I should mention this shag cut is very good for machine rolling.

There's a Beretta thread running over at that forum now if you haven't visited the place before, and I hope some part of this post helped.

Martin

Oh.....I should mention I did find a way to still smoke this type of tobacco for a very reasonable price. I found a very good replacement for those types I mentioned in my post, but it's very difficult to find right now. It's called Ryback if you'd like to do a search.
 
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Hi Martin. Yes, I'm a member at RYO Revolution as well as DynamiteBear.

I've been wanting to try several of the D&R tobaccos, specifically Three Sail, Ramback Regular and Ramback Gold. Being a former Camel smoker, I'm especially interested in the Ramback tobaccos as they are Turkish and Turkish blend, respectively. I've found them all, and your Ryback, at pipesandcigars.com for $21 a 14-ounce bag which is the cheapest I've seen anywhere online. I think the only thing that is stopping me from trying it is that I'm afraid I may like it and then can't get it after June 1 when the new no-tobacco-by-mail law takes effect. None of the tobacco stores around my area know what D&R is much less any of their tobaccos. I almost know I'll love one of their tobaccos and won't be able to get it at all in 26 days. :mad3:
 
so this post got me thinking....

would i be able to buy these materials and pack pipe tobacco into the tubes? i realize it's going to be a lot less enjoyable of a smoke than sitting on the porch with a nice whiskey, but i'm thinking lunch break time frame here.

is that a terrible idea?
Pipe tobacco won't work ... its cut differently than tobacco which is designed for injector machines. And a different cut again for hand-rolling.

At the worst, pipe tobacco in an injector machine will jam the mechanism. At the best, it will produce a cigarette that is packed too tight or too loose, and won't draw properly.

The good news is that with the huge variety of RYO/MYO tobaccos out there, you can probably find something that tastes pretty close to what you smoke in your favorite briar. You can even get into custom blending your own.
 
Hi Martin. Yes, I'm a member at RYO Revolution as well as DynamiteBear.

I've been wanting to try several of the D&R tobaccos, specifically Three Sail, Ramback Regular and Ramback Gold. Being a former Camel smoker, I'm especially interested in the Ramback tobaccos as they are Turkish and Turkish blend, respectively. I've found them all, and your Ryback, at pipesandcigars.com for $21 a 14-ounce bag which is the cheapest I've seen anywhere online. I think the only thing that is stopping me from trying it is that I'm afraid I may like it and then can't get it after June 1 when the new no-tobacco-by-mail law takes effect. None of the tobacco stores around my area know what D&R is much less any of their tobaccos. I almost know I'll love one of their tobaccos and won't be able to get it at all in 26 days. :mad3:
I've ordered from D&R, and they are a terrific smoke-vendor. If you like Camel, you'll love Ramback ... it is a full turkish tobacco, with all the rich flavor you've come to expect in a Camel.

However, Ramback by itself tastes a little funny, at least to me. I was blending it with virginia tobaccos, and even threw in some Perique to kick it up a notch. You'll have to experiment a little to get the ratios right, but start with a 1:1:1 mix and go from there.

This is the first I'd heard about the no tobacco by mail law. Is this a Federal rule, or is it local to your state? I know that the last time I was into MYO (about 18 months ago,) D&R wouldn't ship to certain states. But people in those states got around their local laws by having tobacco drop-shipped to friends and relatives in other states, and then re-shipped to them at home.
 
The Prevent All Cigarette Trafficking Act of 2009 ("PACT Act") (S.1147) was signed into law in March 31, 2010. The bill takes effect June 30, 2010.

This legislation contains a provision which will makes ALL cigarettes, Roll-your-own/Stuff-your-own tobacco and smokeless tobacco products non-mailable.

This law means you will no longer be able to purchase these products by mail-order, telephone order, or the Internet, because the United States Postal Service, along with UPS, Fed-Ex and all other carriers will be prohibited by law from delivering your orders to you.

There is a provision within the bill allowing the shipment of tobacco if all state excise taxes have been paid BEFORE the product is shipped. Therefore, the customer would be charged for the cost of the product as well as the tobacco tax for the appropriate state and have to wait for the tobacco retailer to make payment of the taxes to the federal government and state government. Therefore, most online retailers will stop selling tobacco products online as they will have to get registered in all 50 states and territories (aka tons and tons and tons of paperwork), collect taxes for each state and territory, submit payment of collected taxes to each state and territory (more tons of paperwork).. most of these online retailers are little mom & pop brick & mortar stores who aren't going to fool with doing all of this. In fact, I'll so far as to correct myself and not say "most" but all.. all of them will stop selling online and via phone the one product that drives their online sales: tobacco. Yes, they can still sell rolling papers, tubes, machines, etc but no tobacco products - except cigars. No cigarette tobacco, no pipe tobacco, no Skoal, no Snus and no cigarettes.

So this means you'll have to buy your tobacco locally.. and well, none of my local shops know anything about decent tobacco. All they have is Gambler, Red Cap, Bacco and some generic stuff I've never heard of before but tried and trashed. Don't even ask them if they have Ramback. They will look at you like you're crazy. :glare:

You can read the text of the bill, if you're so inclined, here: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s111-1147
 
So this means you'll have to buy your tobacco locally.. and well, none of my local shops know anything about decent tobacco. All they have is Gambler, Red Cap, Bacco and some generic stuff I've never heard of before but tried and trashed. Don't even ask them if they have Ramback. They will look at you like you're crazy. :glare:

I asked about Ramback at the most well-stocked RYO store near me ... although I know he wouldn't recognize that particular brand name, I figured he'd recognize what I was talking about when I asked for 100% Turkish cigarette tobacco, instead of a HalfZware. He still didn't know what I was talking about.

If I get back into RYO, I'll probably keep it simple and just go with Bali Shag / Jester / Drum / and other Dutch blends ... that was always a consistently good smoke, readily available, and reasonably priced. Although I really enjoyed making my own custom blends from D&R, it was really more trouble than it was worth.

Two other Dutch blends I enjoyed in the past were Arbo and Samson, but those have been hard to find around here in NJ lately.

Its a shame that so many good vendors will be forced out of business because of this new law.

Then again, will tobacco be allowed to be shipped wholesale? It might be worth it for local cigar stores to expand their inventory to include some high-quality cigarette tobacco. Most of what they carry now (Gambler / Top / Bugler / etc) isn't worth smoking.
 
I find that to be the case with most smoke shop owners and employees.. they haven't a clue about the products they are selling. I might can understand that for a hired hand to run the cash register but if you're the owner, you should at least know that the junk you're carrying is exactly that, junk.

I asked about Ramback at the most well-stocked RYO store near me ... although I know he wouldn't recognize that particular brand name, I figured he'd recognize what I was talking about when I asked for 100% Turkish cigarette tobacco, instead of a HalfZware. He still didn't know what I was talking about.

If I get back into RYO, I'll probably keep it simple and just go with Bali Shag / Jester / Drum / and other Dutch blends ... that was always a consistently good smoke, readily available, and reasonably priced. Although I really enjoyed making my own custom blends from D&R, it was really more trouble than it was worth.

Two other Dutch blends I enjoyed in the past were Arbo and Samson, but those have been hard to find around here in NJ lately.

Its a shame that so many good vendors will be forced out of business because of this new law.

Then again, will tobacco be allowed to be shipped wholesale? It might be worth it for local cigar stores to expand their inventory to include some high-quality cigarette tobacco. Most of what they carry now (Gambler / Top / Bugler / etc) isn't worth smoking.
 
Just to clarify, my understanding is that the PACT act does not effect pipe tobacco, much like it doesn't effect cigars. However, I'm sure it's coming eventually, along with a ban on shipping cigars.
 
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