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Lumix DMC-FZ100, G10, or G3? Big decision, please help!

Since posting my "Lumix or Cybershot" thread I've found a big stockist which sells more expensive panasonic models and I've just spent about an hour going through exhaustive reviews on 'trusted reviews', 'photography blog' and 'digital photography reviews'. Some of the reivew are 18 pages long and extremely technical, pointing out 'obvious distortion' between 2 pictures I honestly can't see. So I've narrowed it down to three cameras from the hundreds out there. This is the conclusion paragraph from the most comprehensive reviews I can find out there.

Lumix DMC-FZ100GK; 3,998 RMB
The popular FZ38 camera is a hard act to follow, but the new Lumix DMC-FZ100 propels Panasonic back to the super-zoom leading pack, with a host of new features and usability enhancements that add up to one very capable do-it-all camera. The FZ100 only narrowly misses out on our highest award thanks to poor image quality at higher ISO speeds and the rather eye-watering price tag.

With the addition of a 24x zoom lens, 11fps burst shooting for JPEG and RAW files, large free-angle LCD screen, full HD 1080p movie mode recording, rear control dial and external hotshoe, the DMC-FZ100 is a far more capable and also more intuitive camera than its predecessor. It may not be able to match the 30x zoom or DSLR-like manual zoom and focus ring controls of its main rival, the Fujifilm HS10, but importantly it's much faster to use when shooting RAW files, something that drove us mad when reviewing the HS10.

There is one key area where the Panasonic DMC-FZ100 doesn't improve on its rivals or its predecessor, though, namely the poorer image quality once you get above ISO 400. Noise is apparent at ISO 400 but becomes much more obvious at ISO 800 along with smearing of fine details, with the fastest speed of ISO 1600 being something of a last resort. Although this is a similar performance to the year-old FZ38, we'd hoped for some improvements in this area. The merely average quality electronic viewfinder is also disappointingly the same as the one on the FZ38.

In these tough economic times, price is also a big concern. £449.99 / $499.95 is a lot to ask though for what is still essentially a fixed lens camera with a comparatively tiny image sensor, and is certainly a lot more than the £329.99 / $399.95 launch price of the FZ38. That said, there's no denying that the FZ100 is a more fully-featured, easier to use and faster camera than its predecessor, and with full HD movie recording on-board, it could replace your video camcorder. Just like the Fujifilm HS10, it also makes less or more sense depending on what you're comparing it to. Taken as a super-zoom, it's one of the most expensive models on the market, but also one of the most capable in terms of features. As a DSLR alternative, the FZ100 clearly makes a lot of economic sense if you want a similar handling experience but don't mind a drop in image quality.

If you can stomach the price, the Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ100 is certainly a lot of still and video camera for the money, offering a relatively compact all-in-one solution that will more than satisfy most photographer's needs.

DMC-G10GK; 5,498 RMB
"As with its predecessor, there's really very little to complain about in terms of the G10's design, image quality and ease-of-use, delivering all the convenience of a compact camera shooting experience in a DSLR-like package that is smaller and more portable than most DSLRs. The near-seamless Live View experience doesn't feel as though it has been literally forced into the overall design, as with the Live View function on the majority of DSLRs, so users looking to move-up from a point-and-shoot compact should definitely consider the G10, which happens to be just the target audience that Panasonic are aiming for. Especially as those users may not notice some of the key corners that have been cut in order to meet the aggressive price point, most tellingly the lack of a free-angle, rotating LCD and a high-resolution electronic view-finder, both of which the 18-month old G1 model offers."



The DMC-G3; 5998 RMB

The Lumix DMC-G3 is the most well-rounded Panasonic compact system camera to date, offering a great mix of cutting-edge features, improved image quality, intuitive and customisable handling, and a very competitive price. It's also a genuine contender to the likes of the Nikon D5100 and Canon EOS 600D, not quite matching them in terms of image quality but certainly giving them a run for their money in most other departments, all wrapped up in a tiny, lightweight body that's remarkably comparable in size to the company's GF1 model (which didn't have a built-in viewfinder or fold-out LCD screen).

The new 15.8 megapixel Live MOS sensor achieves the very neat trick of increasing the resolution and improving the image quality at the same time, in particular moving things on in the ISO stakes, with noise not rearing its ugly head until ISO 1600. Recent DSLR users probably won't be impressed by this feat, but in the world of Micro Four Thirds it's a big advancement. Coupled with its sheer portability and all-round feature-set, this makes the G3 a great carry-everywhere camera, and also a very discrete one to boot.

The touch-sensitive screen helps to deliver all the convenience and more of a compact camera shooting experience in a DSLR-like package that is smaller and lighter than all current DSLRs. Panasonic have wisely ensured that only certain key features can be configured by tapping the screen, rather than simply making everything accessible in this way, creating a hybrid interface that genuinely speeds up the camera's operation. You don't have to use the touchscreen at all, but you'd be mad not to. The free-angle, rotating LCD and high-resolution electronic view-finder of the original G1 may sound like old-hat, but they've just shown how ahead of the game Panasonic actually were, not looking out of place even in 2011.

Completing the G3's impressive bag of tricks are the super-fast auto-focusing system, with times of under 0.2 seconds with the standard kit lens and even reaching 0.1 seconds with certain lenses, and the improved 1080/50i Full HD video mode (only bettered by the GH2), complete with stereo sound and support for an external microphone. The 4 frames per second burst shooting is respectable enough, while the new Photo Style and Creative Control filters add a certain artistic flair to the G3. There are a few things that we don't like about the G3, mainly concerning the reduced number of external controls and the lack of the G2's useful eye-sensor for seamlessly switching between the EVF and LCD screen. Born out of the neccessity of shrinking the body, this has resulted in a simpler, more compact-like interface with more reliance on shared controls. Thankfully there are numerous ways in which the camera can be customised, so you should be able to find a way to make it work for you.

All of this comes at a price - remarkably a cheap one. £549 body only or £629.99 with the 14-42mm kit lens for such an accomplished camera is great value in anyone's book. For us, the new G3 offers the best balance between the even tinier GF2, the slightly better handling G2, and the videographer-friendly GH2, adding the best still image quality of all G-series cameras, and it's also a cheaper and for many users simply a better alternative to a full-fledged DSLR. Essential!

All these models seem to be really good, but what I need to know as a non-photographer is whether it's likely that I'll need to use the functions of the more expensive models and whether I'm likely to see a difference in image quality as a non-specialist. I'm hoping one of our members has gone through this sort of process, going from a point & click to full-on semi-professional use and can guide me. It took me about a month to decide on a pair of binoculars, but after spending 335 pounds on them, I've never regretted it, especially since I could see clearly why I was paying the extra cash- I'd originally planned to spend only 150. Thank you for any advice given. Oh, my intended use is to take really good pictures and learn a bit about photography, WITHOUT getting sucked into another AD!
 
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I am not familiar with the 3 cameras you mention, but based on all that you have said I think you are looking too high end. That you could spend half that amount and be satisfied with your purchase, with the realization that you may want to upgrade in 3 years or so anyway because of newer capabilities... such wireless upload, GPS image stamping, smaller camera body, faster picture taking, etc or because you have managed to damage it. (Those cameras with auto extend/retract lens have a way of getting jammed up after a few years.) But of course it really depends on what you want to do with your camera and how much ultimate picture quality matters to you. As you indirectly said, the difference in imagine quality on many of these cameras is like trying to split hairs.

Most of the major digital camera brands will take very good pictures in daylight, even the cheapest point and shoot models. What distinguishes the more advanced models is the performance in low lighting conditions. If you want to take photos of still subjects from a tripod, then camera choice will not matter too much, if you want to take pictures from a taxi moving through the city at dusk, then more technology and control is needed.

When just considering a camera as a tool to capture images of real world scenes the most important features to me are: image stabilization, shutter lag (power on lag), size, and low light ability. Size is important because if it doesn't fit into your jacket pocket in winter or cargo shorts in summer, then it might not be with you when you want to use it. Manual controls are useful for low lighting conditions or fast moving subjects.

A camera like the Canon SX130 (SX150) IS provides a good number of controls that should make picture taking fun, while at the same time fitting into your pocket. I am not recommending this camera, just using it as an example as I have considered it myself as something that would fit in my pocket and take nice nature shots, thought its still a little larger than I like. Something like the Canon PowerShot A720 IS (no longer produced) is smaller and lower end, with lots of control but with less performance. My point being that if you want to play around with shutter, aperture, ISO speeds you can also look a little lower end, with side benefit of having a camera that is more portable.
 
Doh! I forgto about the darkroom. Thanks!
I can understand your comments, Stillshaving and to be honest, it's certain that I don't know enough about photography to fully understnand what even the "cheapest" option offers, as yet. But I do want to learn and don't want to have to upgrade for a very long time. I think probably even the FZ100 is of a standard to keep me amused and give high quality pics, but like the idea of the G3 as it seems to be bordering on serious amateur territory, .i.e. it should keep me satisfied for a long while. Going from the Lumix I was going to buy at 2,000, to the 4,000 camera showed up the processed nature of the cheaper camera. I mean it looked great, but almost too good, you know? I still haven't checked out the G10 or G3 as I didn't know they existed until researching this subject. I'm going to pop in to the store again tomorrow and have a look at exactly what they've got.
 
I just bought a Lumix DMC-G3 yesterday as a replacement for my Lumix ZX-7 point and shoot zoom. I decided I wanted to get a "serious" camera, but one which will also ease my transition. I also looked at the Olympus cameras and contemplated the new Fujifilm FX-10, but I went for the Lumix based on my positive experiences with my other camera.

To start with the G3 can be used in Auto mode with very good results. From there you can start to play with the settings until you learn what they do and how they interact. One of the great things about digital photography is that your results can be viewed immediately and you aren't paying for prints of bad photos.

Finally, I like that the G3 offers interchangeable lenses and does HD video.

Good luck in your search!
 
As someone that has been involved with photography for a long time, I can attest that the only way make an analysis/buying decision about a camera is to be clear as to what you want from it. That said, here is a link to one of the best photo web sites out there: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/index.shtml You need to know that this site is frequented mostly by pros and advanced amateurs, but does contain some very good information relative to the basics. Go back through the "What's New" part and read some of the evaluations of different camera, specifically on the sensor size and picture quality; this may give you a clearer understanding. As with other electronic devices, new digital cameras are released at an alarming rate, so you really need to have a fix on what you want it to do. I am using a Pentax DSLR that is now two models back in the food chain (5 years), but have not upgraded because it does what I want. It has a mere 10MP sensor, but produces images good enough to print up to 17 X 25, which I do. I also use film cameras that were made in the 60's, 70's and 80's; they last forever (in relative terms).
 
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