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Hi all, new guy here. I posted a short intro in the "new guy" thread, and will spare you all by not repeating it here.

I have been reading here a short time, and decided to buy a few "beginner" fountain pens. So far, I have Pilot Metrpolitan, and a Lamy Safari (which just arrived today). I also bought a TWSBI Eco, second hand, from a member here. That pen is currently in transit to me. So, i will soon have my trifecta of beginner pens.

My first impressions:

I absolutely LOVE the Metropolitan. I opted for the medium nib, and it feels perfect. I'm sinistral, and the pen has been a joy to use. Right now I am using a cartridge and really amazed at how nice the pen feels in hand and how smooth it writes. Feels like a fantastic value in a entry-level pen.

Having such a great initial experience with the Metro, I quickly ordered a Safari and a couple of hard-cover notebooks to begin writing in daily, or as the mood struck me. The notebooks and Lamy arrived today, so I loaded a cart into the Safari and let it sit for about a half hour, cap on, nib down in a mug on my desk. The wait was killing me.

Anyway, once I started writing, I immediately noticed that the Lamy, a fine point, was incredibly "scratchy" compared to the Pilot medium tip. Not nearly as pleasant or as easy to write with.

I thought i had read here (or elsewhere) that the a medium nib Asian made pen would write and feel like a fine point on a German made pen. As such, I though that the fine nib I the Lamy would have a similar feel and writing characteristics as the Pilot, but that is definitely not the case. I realize that pens from different manufacturers are going to be different, but I am surprised by how stark the difference actually is between these two pens. The Lamy writes nearly the same as the $3 Zebra fountain pen I've had in my desk drawer for 15 years, that somehow still writes with the original cartridge.

So, my questions:

All things being equal (same paper, using the manufacturer's ink carts) is my assessment of these two accurate and normal, or may something be amiss with the Safari?

The Metropolitan felt and wrote like a dream out of the box. Is it possible that the Safari will improve (smooth out) with use?...is there such a thing as a break-in on a new nib?

Or is this just the nature of the two different pens?

Lastly, might my wrong-handedness contribute to the performance of a pen possibly designed for a right-handed writer?

As it stands now, i get no joy from the Lamy, and have little desire to continue using it, though I am hopeful that there is something I can do to improve the performance. It isn't a huge deal, or investment, more of a disappointment over what is a highly regarded, value pen.

Thanks for reading, and thanks for any suggestions, info, or advice.

Gary
 
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Not even an EF nib should feel "scratchy", so the tines may be slightly misaligned on your Safari. Look at the nib head on, with a loupe ideally, and make sure that the tines are level, like so: UU

If they are even slightly misaligned, the edge of the tine will catch on certain strokes (especially those moving away from you), making the nib feel like it is scratching the paper.

If you want to post some close up pics of the nib, from the angle I described and directly above, it might help identify any irregularities.
 
I have a loupe and will take a look. Just to be clear, your "UU" is the end of the nib, pointing down, and viewed from the top?
 
Got it.

I looked from several angles, and it appears to be ok, though my eyesight, even with a loupe, is compromised in my dominant eye as a result of botched cataract surgery that resulted in permanent retina damage. I can see OK, but super fine detail is difficult.

Viewed through a loupe using my non-dominant eye, which is 20-20, I don't see an obvious misalignment.

It may well be that I like the feel of the Metropolitan so much that it has "spoiled" me on the Lamy. Revisiting the pens back-to-back, the Lamy seems just OK, while the Pilot wows me. It is possible in hindsight that I may have overstated the scratchy-ness of the Lamy, purely due to inexperience, but the difference is enough to know that I don't care for it.

So, it may just be the preference of a n00b, but it has me wondering if I should have gotten a medium nib on the Lamy.

Can it be be replaced?...easily?...or is that premature?
 
You can buy a replacement Lamy nib for around $15, or you could try and get the vendor to swap your <F> for an <M>.

It might also be worth just giving the pen a little time to break in: write a couple of A4 pages with it and see if it settles. You could also try a wetter ink; that will likely thicken the line a little, but may also feel more lubricated on the page.

Welcome to fountain pens: endless hours tweaking and experimenting when you could just be writing! :)
 
I semi-smoothed a rough Safari nib by drawing endless loops on a brown paper bag. Never quite smooth enough; on the other hand, my Kaweco Sport Classic in fine is the very best nib I have ever used. Luck of the draw.
 
You can buy a replacement Lamy nib for around $15, or you could try and get the vendor to swap your <F> for an <M>.

It might also be worth just giving the pen a little time to break in: write a couple of A4 pages with it and see if it settles. You could also try a wetter ink; that will likely thicken the line a little, but may also feel more lubricated on the page.

Welcome to fountain pens: endless hours tweaking and experimenting when you could just be writing! :)

Yeah, I'm too inexperienced to jump the gun and replace the nib. At some point I may just buy another Safari with a medium nib to compare. They are inexpensive, and I've tried dozens of razors befor settling on some "keepers".

I have much to learn, and much to try in the way of paper and ink before coming to any solid conclusions.

Suffice to say that if this is the typical performance of a Safari with a fine nib and factory ink, it will likely never be a favored pen of mine. It is possible that my expectations were unrealistic, or that the pen is a bad fit for me.
 
I semi-smoothed a rough Safari nib by drawing endless loops on a brown paper bag. Never quite smooth enough; on the other hand, my Kaweco Sport Classic in fine is the very best nib I have ever used. Luck of the draw.

I'm going to use my Metrpolitan for journal writing, and the Safari for doodling and more mundane tasks like grocery lists to see if it changes at all over time.
 
Well, I may have over dramatized my dislike for the Safari. It does provide more feedback than the Metropolitan, and while not terrible, it is still noticeably more scratchy.

I decided that before I pass final judgement to try another Lamy with a medium nib. Since the nibs are $14 and the entire pen can be had for $20, I ordered another pen, but since the aluminum Al-Star is just a bit more, I opted for an Ocean Blue Al-Star with a medium tip to compare to the fine point.

No matter what, the pens are most definitely usable, and I intend to put them to work regardless. In all I will have four pens for the grand sum of just over $100, which should keep me busy for a while.
 
My Safari was my main pen at work. I really liked the triangular grip, and I had no problem with its writing. I also have 2 Metropolitans and yes, they write smooth!
 
My Safari was my main pen at work. I really liked the triangular grip, and I had no problem with its writing. I also have 2 Metropolitans and yes, they write smooth!

I'm not giving up on it...just yet. I'm going to use it exclusively for a bit and see if I can acclimate. Of course, I may end up liking the medium nib on the Al-Star better, in which case this one will be used little.

I do like the grip.
 
The choice of ink can make a difference too. Some inks are more lubricated than others.

Preferences change over time. In the beginning I polished every nib to within an inch of its life on lapping film and micro mesh. Those nibs are as smooth as ice. It’s like writing with butter on a hot frying pan. My newer pen has a touch of feedback and I quite like that now.
 
Hi all, new guy here. I posted a short intro in the "new guy" thread, and will spare you all by not repeating it here.

I have been reading here a short time, and decided to buy a few "beginner" fountain pens. So far, I have Pilot Metrpolitan, and a Lamy Safari (which just arrived today). I also bought a TWSBI Eco, second hand, from a member here. That pen is currently in transit to me. So, i will soon have my trifecta of beginner pens.

My first impressions:

I absolutely LOVE the Metropolitan. I opted for the medium nib, and it feels perfect. I'm sinistral, and the pen has been a joy to use. Right now I am using a cartridge and really amazed at how nice the pen feels in hand and how smooth it writes. Feels like a fantastic value in a entry-level pen.

Having such a great initial experience with the Metro, I quickly ordered a Safari and a couple of hard-cover notebooks to begin writing in daily, or as the mood struck me. The notebooks and Lamy arrived today, so I loaded a cart into the Safari and let it sit for about a half hour, cap on, nib down in a mug on my desk. The wait was killing me.

Anyway, once I started writing, I immediately noticed that the Lamy, a fine point, was incredibly "scratchy" compared to the Pilot medium tip. Not nearly as pleasant or as easy to write with.

I thought i had read here (or elsewhere) that the a medium nib Asian made pen would write and feel like a fine point on a German made pen. As such, I though that the fine nib I the Lamy would have a similar feel and writing characteristics as the Pilot, but that is definitely not the case. I realize that pens from different manufacturers are going to be different, but I am surprised by how stark the difference actually is between these two pens. The Lamy writes nearly the same as the $3 Zebra fountain pen I've had in my desk drawer for 15 years, that somehow still writes with the original cartridge.

So, my questions:

All things being equal (same paper, using the manufacturer's ink carts) is my assessment of these two accurate and normal, or may something be amiss with the Safari?

The Metropolitan felt and wrote like a dream out of the box. Is it possible that the Safari will improve (smooth out) with use?...is there such a thing as a break-in on a new nib?

Or is this just the nature of the two different pens?

Lastly, might my wrong-handedness contribute to the performance of a pen possibly designed for a right-handed writer?

As it stands now, i get no joy from the Lamy, and have little desire to continue using it, though I am hopeful that there is something I can do to improve the performance. It isn't a huge deal, or investment, more of a disappointment over what is a highly regarded, value pen.

Thanks for reading, and thanks for any suggestions, info, or advice.

Gary
My name is also Gary, so I decided to reply.

In my limited experience, even pens of the same brand will each write differently. I use the back of the nib for all my pens because I write small and need a fine point. Some pens are smooth, some aren't.

I've found that with most pens, I can eliminate scratchiness by reducing the pressure so only the ink is on the page.

The ink and the paper make a difference, too. I like Monteverde and Shaeffer Skript Inks. The Monteverde is less expensive and works as well.

Since you are anti-dextrous, you might find it better to use the right page of notebooks first.

If you write a lot, I suggest learning Palmer Penmanship to avoid finger injury. There is a thread on it.

I wrote this with a Jinhao Shark pen and Monteverde ink. In my limited experience, I haven't found price results in better writing quality. Keep in mind, my writing is tiny.

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My name is also Gary, so I decided to reply.

In my limited experience, even pens of the same brand will each write differently. I use the back of the nib for all my pens because I write small and need a fine point. Some pens are smooth, some aren't.

I've found that with most pens, I can eliminate scratchiness by reducing the pressure so only the ink is on the page.

The ink and the paper make a difference, too. I like Monteverde and Shaeffer Skript Inks. The Monteverde is less expensive and works as well.

Since you are anti-dextrous, you might find it better to use the right page of notebooks first.

If you write a lot, I suggest learning Palmer Penmanship to avoid finger injury. There is a thread on it.

I wrote this with a Jinhao Shark pen and Monteverde ink. In my limited experience, I haven't found price results in better writing quality. Keep in mind, my writing is tiny.

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Thank you for the suggestions, and GREAT penmanship.
 
Well, my medium nib Al-Star arrived today, along with a fine nib TWSBI Eco, and I have reached a minor conclusion after using both:

I prefer a medium nib.

My handwriting is not small, so I can tolerate the wider line of a medium nib, and even though I'm a lefty, I'm not having any issue with drying (dragging my hand through fresh ink) - it seems to dry before I get there.

I found that the medium nib on the Al-Star is smoother than the fine nib, yet still provides a bit more feedback than my Metrpolitan. It is just about perfect, and I'm very happy with both.

The TWSBI and Lamy (both F) are a bit scratchy-er, but still usable. I'm thinking I will pick up some smoother/higher-grade paper for use with these two.

Regardless, I'm happy, and having fun. 🙂
 
Nice lineup you have acquired. Lamy and Pilot were my first 2 brands purchased as I dove head first down the rabbit hole...be careful, it looks like you are on your way down that hole too=)

I was going to add that different brands have more or less feedback often times. The 2 brands that come to mind on being "toothy" are Sailor and Aurora. Brands that I have found to be consistently smooth are Pilot and Pelikan.
 

musicman1951

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People like different feels and sizes in nibs. I'm more of a butter man and medium is as small as I get. I sent my favorite pens to nib masters for some fine tune work and it was worth every penny, but not for you yet. It would be a little crazy to spend three times the price of the pen for a tuneup.

Just in case you get deep in the weeds down the road, Pendleton Brown worked on my Pelikan M600, making it a stub-italic.
 
People like different feels and sizes in nibs. I'm more of a butter man and medium is as small as I get. I sent my favorite pens to nib masters for some fine tune work and it was worth every penny, but not for you yet. It would be a little crazy to spend three times the price of the pen for a tuneup.

Just in case you get deep in the weeds down the road, Pendleton Brown worked on my Pelikan M600, making it a stub-italic.

Agreed. It is much more economical for me to try these entry-level pens to get an idea of what suits me. I will keep your advice in mind if I happen to purchase a high-end pen that I don't get along with.

Right now, I'm happy to futz around with this group by trying different papers and inks. Should keep me occupied for a while.
 
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