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Is this a frame back?

I just got the Wade & Butcher from Ebay. I've heard about "frame backs" but never knew much about them. Is this a frame back?
 

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It looks like a frame back, but its actually what we call a "faux frame back." It is designed to look like one and has a thinner grind than a traditional wedge style which preceded it, but the edge is not actually affixed to a frame, rather it is one piece of steel.
 
I'd have said yes, but I guess greekguy knows more about W&B than I do - never had one myself! :)

It is a bit of a judgement call whether a faux frame back is indeed a frame back. I think of it as a different "style" but they shave similarly. I'm by no means the end all on this so if others disagree by all means feel free to give your vote
 
It looks alot like my WB Frameback

This razor is a piece of steel (perfect wedge, very thin) with the frame added for honing .
I believe this was a way to use less skilled labor as not just any Joe could run the grinder to shape a full hollow blade.
 
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Like I said, I've never even had the luck to hold a W&B so don't listen to me, although I would have said frameback.... Or did already say that. ;)
 
It looks alot like my WB Frameback

This razor is a flat piece of steel with the frame added for honing .
I believe this was a way to use less skilled labor as not just any Joe could run the grinder to shape a full hollow blade.

That's exactly like mine! Horn shell and it only says "Sheffield" and not "Sheffield England" like my other two yellow celluloid W&B's have. Any idea as to the age when they don't say "England"?
 
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That's exactly like mine! Horn shell and it only says "Sheffield" and not "Sheffield England" like my other two yellow celluloid W&B's have. Any idea as to the age when they don't say "England"?
Around about 1895, manufacturers were required to put the country of origin on the razor.
It's a handy before/after reference point.
 
Soldered?
BTW, the blade is not flat. It's a perfect wedge, very thin.

Interesting to see. Can you tell if the solder at the joint is soft? Or do the pieces fit well like a plumbing solder connection?

Probably Sn/Pb rather than something harder. Getting it too hot would wreck the temper.

But as long as the wedge is good steel it should be a perfectly fine razor with a lot lower manufacturing cost.
 
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It looks alot like my WB Frameback

This razor is a piece of steel (perfect wedge, very thin) with the frame added for honing .
I believe this was a way to use less skilled labor as not just any Joe could run the grinder to shape a full hollow blade.

Does yours have a 1 on the tail? Mine has a 2, and I haven't been able to figure out why...
 
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Mine has a 2 that I never noticed before. You can just make it out in the pic.
No idea either what it means.
 
Actually, for the sake of the argument, I would call this one a faux, faux frameback.
The framebacks are a blade encased in a supporting frame.
The faux framebacks look similar but are made in one solid piece, with the grinding giving the razor the feel of a frameback.
Here it looks like the blade is narrow and a layer is added on the spine to make a more adequate angle.
It looks like a faux frameback, but differs a bit.

So faux, faux frameback.

It is a bit of a judgement call whether a faux frame back is indeed a frame back. I think of it as a different "style" but they shave similarly. I'm by no means the end all on this so if others disagree by all means feel free to give your vote
 
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