I finally honed an ebay special from dull to shave ready! There are lots of people I have to thank for this and rather than forget or slight anyone let me just thank everyone. There are three things that stand out, one is the trick of running the edge against a beer bottle before setting the bevel so I could get an honest idea of where I was at. Second is staying on one stone until I had gotten to a certain level of sharpness before moving to next instead of just counting strokes. Third, if you can't shave off an 8k norton then you didn't do something right. Next stage will be finishing on my C12k, but if I had too, I could live with the edge I have now. Is it as sharp and smooth as it could be? Of course not, but it is not uncomfortable. Sorry if I sound like a giddy schoolgirl but I will never be able to hone my very first razor for the very first time again.