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How to be a Good Server OR How to Convince an Entire Shaving Forum You're a Jerk

These are the steps on how to be a good server in a restaurant:

1. Try to greet your table within 3-5 minutes. Try not to end up taking 8-10 minutes to greet a table, because that's when customers start to get irritated. If you do take longer than 5 minutes, do apologize.

2. Make sure customers have utensils. I can't count the times I've either had to get up to get my own utensils or had to asks my server for some. I've also have seen other customers and even my husband was brought food(which I didn't order any food that time) without any utensils.

3. Bring extra napkins always. MOST people, especially kids or if a person orders messy foods such as ribs, will more than likely need extra napkins.

4. Do ANY up selling BEFORE the customer orders, NOT AFTER the customer just placed their order. A couple of times I ordered a specific margarita they had on the menus at 2 different restaurants and those servers decided to try to sell me a different margarita AFTER I told them already what I actually wanted. That not only wasted their time, but irritated me.

5. Never bring ANY FOOD OR DRINKS to the table without knowing if the customer wants it, even if it's just water. Also, the server should ask if the customer wants lemon with their water. Some people may not want a slice of lemon. The server should ask or let the customer ask if they want a refill or anything for that matter. Some people like automatic refills, but I feel that a server can waste time at times getting things that the server isn't 100% sure that the customer actually wants a refill. I've declined refills before at times as well as changed the soft drinks I have ordered even. I am glad when servers ASK me instead of bringing something to the table that I didn’t order. I don't care if it's free bread or chips & salsa, NOTHING should be ordered for the customer and that even includes a glass of water. The customer is the person that is ordering, NOT the server.

6. Bring drinks that aren't from the bar out first if there are any. For instance, if a customer at the table orders a drink from the bar and everyone else at the table orders soft drinks or tea or water, don't make everyone at the table suffer by waiting until the drink from the bar is ready.

7. When customers are placing their order, WRITE their order down. Write down EVERY detail and repeat the order to the customer. Make sure you understand every detail like if they said "no tomatoes" and you may have thought they said "only tomatoes." I've had 2 times that 2 different servers at 2 different restaurants assumed I wanted bbq sauce "ON THE SIDE" meaning that I didn't want bbq sauce on my ribs I ordered, when I actually wanted "2 SIDES" of extra bbq sauce. So when taking a customer's order, MAKE DARN SURE that you get EXACTLY what they said. I NEVER said "on the side", but they ASSUMED that, even though one of those times I remember I said "2 sides of "EXTRA" bbq sauce." I also NEVER said I wanted the ribs dry either. They just ASSUMED that. When in doubt, ASK or ASK them to repeat their order.

8. Don't EVER come back to the table after you have left to ask the customer to repeat their order! That's an interruption that's truly not necessary. Now if they are out of something or there's a problem with what someone ordered, that's completely different. I am talking about servers who don't write down orders or servers who didn't fully write down the order or get the entire order written correctly the FIRST TIME AROUND as they should have. For instance, I ordered a margarita with salt one time and the waiter came back to my table to ask if I wanted salt. He should have gotten it correct the FIRST time around. I also had a waitress one time ask "Did you say mudslide or a white russian?" I ordered a white russian, not a mudslide. My point is, points off the tip when I have to be interrupted for a server not getting all the details right the FIRST TIME AROUND. I understand if I have to repeat my order while they are initially taking my order, but to come to ask me AFTER they have already left the table is just not good service. As I said before, if they are out of something or there's no way to make a certain thing the way the customer wants it, that's understandable to have to come back to the table, but don't just come back to the table because you didn't get the ALL the details the first time around.

9. Know the menu. If I ask what comes in a side salad because of the fact that usually for some reason, a lot of menus don't list what comes in, don't tell me you don't know or need to ask someone UNLESS it is like your first day or something.

10. NEVER "ASSUME" ANYTHING, EVER! For example: My husband and I ordered 2 appetizers as well as 2 entrees at a restaurant. I didn't want what he wanted and he didn't want what I wanted, so that's why we ordered 2. We figured we could take the food home if we had too much. The waiter ASSUMED I wanted the appetizer with my meal. For starters, I NEVER ONCE said that. Also, I should assume that since the menu states it's an appetizer, that I would get it as an appetizer unless I state otherwise. We were waiting quite a while when the waiter came around and we asked where my chili cheese fries were. Our waiter replied "I thought you wanted it with your meal." I told him "I never said that." I was SOME PISSED that he "ASSUMED" we were going to "share" the first appetizer. Anyway, I received it 2 minutes literally before our entrees came out.

11. If someone wants a 2 for 1 drink "ONE at a time" respect that and only bring out one at a time. Also, ASK if the customer would like the drinks one at a time, which you might be surpised they MIGHT just want it one at a time due to ice making the drink watered down or maybe they might not want the second one.

12. Immediately put the order into the computer RIGHT AFTER you take the order unless there are food or drink orders that were ordered before the customers that you just got the order from that are ready, then obviously, bring those customers their food and/or drinks they ordered first, then put the order into the computer.

13. Servers should bring ALL condiments BEFORE the food is arrived. There is NEVER a reason to trust another server that ends up bringing out the food. If you want a good tip, make sure what that the things that are truly IN YOUR CONTROL will be correct at the very least. I have had 5 servers VOLUNTEER(meaning I didn't ask them to do that) to bring my condiments BEFORE my meal arrived whether or not they actually took my food to me. If someone orders a side of ranch, there's NO REAL REASON to wait all the way until the food is ready to bring it out which is usually around 25mins or so, when ranch doesn't need ANY cooking. Same thing with other condiments like mayo or mustard.

14. Make sure you are bringing enough of what the customer has asked for. My husband asked for ketchup and the waitress brought out an almost empty bottle, not enough for him to even get much out. Also, if someone asks for a "SIDE" of something, bring a "FULL" side, NOT "a HALF side." It's ridiculous that now I am having to tell my server, "Fill it all the way." I think that's just ridiculous. If I ask for a "side", I want a FULL SIDE. Especially if I asks for 2 sides of mayo, don't bring me 2 "half-sides" of mayo, because then it's like only having ONE side of mayo, so then you have to make another trip to get another side of mayo as I specifically ordered it. It's not like the server can't SEE that it's not full. Bring customers enough condiments so you WON'T have to make extra trips. Do you honestly care about the pennies it cost the restaurant to maybe give too much or do you care about your tips? I think a customer would rather have more than enough, than not enough, wouldn't you?

15. When the food is ready, if the same server takes the food to the customer that took the order, that server should be comparing the plate of food with the written order to see obvious mistakes such as a wrong side dish, a wrong entree, missing things, or anything that's obvious like a grilled chicken dish that's supposed to have swiss cheese(yellow) has bright orange cheddar cheese.

16. Make sure when you bring out someone's food that the item has the condiments that are listed on the menu unless told by the customer that they didn't want the condiments that come with the meal. I have had servers assume just because I ordered a side of ranch, I didn't want the marinara as well with cheese sticks. I don't get that, because they didn't even consider that since usually appetizers are shared, that just maybe the other person at the table might like the sauce that COMES with the item and the other person wants the other sauce. We both happen to like both sauces and dip them in both.

Also, I've had times when the condiments that were supposed to come with the food according to the MENU, weren't on the plate, meaning the server didn't verify the food they were taking to me with the menu. Like at Denny's, my husband ordered cheese fries as his appetizer and the ranch that was listed it came with and even had a picture of it, wasn't on the plate from our server when it arrived. I feel, how STUPID is it not to even realize something is MISSING and still take it to the customer like that considering they have it in a PICTURE as well as listed in the menu description. I feel if you don't know the menu, at least take a menu and verify the food BEFORE taking it to the customer.

17. If you run someone else's food and get a request for something such as a refill, please tell their server or even go get the refill. I have had some good and bad luck when I've done this. If my server is not around and if I want a refill, I will ask whomever comes to the table, considering they ARE a "SOME PART" of MY service. Sometimes those other servers worked as a TEAM by actually getting the refill for me, one time a server lied to me, and another one said something about that my server will get it, which she DIDN'T relay the message. The point of this one, WORK AS A TEAM, because it will come back to you. If you help out this other customer's table you don't have, but then another server helps you out with a customer's table you DO have, it truly all works out. No one seems to want to work as a team anymore these days. The people that do, are hard to find.

Also if there is a mistake that can be caught by this other server such as a missing item or wrong food, this other server should be the one to fix the situation to make it right, NOT make the customer wait longer to get our server to fix it. I don't get why MY server usually is the one that gets the forgotten condiments when another server brings out my food without the condiments I ordered. I feel WHY have another server run the food if they aren't going to verify the ticket with the plate of food? It's useless to have a food runner system if the other server doesn't verify what they are taking to the table is correct even. I am ONLY talking about things that are obvious that are wrong. Sure my server could be at fault for not putting in the order correctly to begin with, but I am willing to bet more than likely, it's the other server that's too lazy to read the ticket.

18. Check back with your customers once ANY food has arrived if someone else ran your food, because they may have a mistake that was not noticed at the time the food was ran, so no one was told about the mistake. It's important to check back with your customers to make sure the customers are happy with their food. It's not just mistakes that could be a problem, it could also be the food is cold or some type of other problem. If you don't check back with your customers, you won't know if something is wrong or not. Also, ask if they need anything. They might need something they didn't think of such as A-1 steak sauce or a refill.

19. If a mistake is made of any kind, apologize. I can't count HOW MANY TIMES I NEVER get an apology. I am not mean, I just tell them "I ordered such-n-such." At the VERY LEAST, say you are sorry. It's the RIGHT THING to do. It may even boost your tip such as when I have had apologies, that I tipped higher all because they were NICE about it.

20. If a mistake is made that's major such as a wrong entree or an overcharge, have the decency to TELL YOUR MANAGER! I can't count the times I didn't get a visit from a manager when MAJOR mess ups have happened. Also, if it's YOU who made the mess up, YOU try to make-up for it by asking the manager if he or she could comp something. Also, a major mess up should come with a PROFUSE apology such as "I am SO sorry." Not just a lousy "sorry" when the mistake is huge.

21. If you are server running someone else's food and there's a mistake of some sort, APOLOGIZE, even if it's might not be "YOUR" fault. Customers do usually want to hear an apology when something goes wrong. It IS the NICE thing to do.

22. If you ask the customer if they want something and they say "NO", DO NOT try to change their mind. I can't tell you how aggravating it is to have to almost argue with the server to get them to understand I don't want a dessert this time or whatever it is. If they say "NO", they MEAN IT!

23. Make sure there are NO overcharges or undercharges on the check and that it is indeed THAT customer's check. I have had prices that didn't match the menu. I have also had a server charge me for a salad without an entree, even though I got an entree. So make sure you press the correct button. My husband and I have had our credit cards rung up on the wrong table. We have been given the wrong check before. We have had extra items as well as missing items on the check. I also had substituted a cheddar cheese on a sandwich that came with swiss cheese, but was charged extra as if I was adding cheese to the sandwich. That time I also didn't get charged for a margarita that was almost $7. So not only did I have an overcharge, but also an undercharge in the same check. That just shows how some servers don't look over their work.

24. NEVER, EVER, bring the check without either being asked or asking. I have ordered a mixed drink AFTER a dessert at times. I truly HATE when servers bring the check along with the dessert as if they can read my mind or something. It's NOT their call to make if I am ready for the check or not, it's MINE. You NEVER KNOW, maybe the customer wants to order something else. I just had a waitress last night bring us the check just because we asked for boxes. She didn't even offer us dessert, which I actually wanted to order another mixed drink, but at the time I asked for the boxes, I still was drinking my margarita I had ordered beforehand, so I wasn't quite ready for the next drink yet, nor did I even decide what drink I wanted.

25. Do things in the order of it being requested. If I just asked for the check, get the check unless someone's food or drink is ready that had ordered BEFORE I did. Don't go to 2 other customer's tables to find out if they need anything. That's just RUDE! People usually want to leave when they ask for the check, so be CONSIDERATE not to WASTE ANY of their time by getting the check as soon as possible unless someone's food or drink is ready that had asked for their stuff BEFORE I did.

26. Ring up the check within a 3 minute range at the MOST. Don't make the customers wait 5 minutes or more to be able to leave.

27. Give ALL change back, even if it's just a penny unless the customer TELLS you to keep the change. NEVER just not return someone's change or ask if they want change. Always give back change unless the customer tells you to keep the change, because they haven't tipped you yet. One waiter one time kept 31 cents change and only gave me back a 5 dollar bill from a check that was $34.69 that I paid with (2) 20 dollar gift certificates . I found that to be presumptuous of him. It WASN'T "HIS" money YET, it was my money. Instead of $4.50 we were going to leave, because his service wasn't so great, he got stiffed all because he STOLE from us. He had NO RIGHTS to that money yet.


Springs1
 
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First welcome to B&B. I just read the first few lines of your post and i am confused why you have posted this and that too your first post in a shaving forum. :confused1 If you are interested in wet shaving or for that matter to be part of this wonderful community please take the time to introduce yourself over here.
 

Doc4

Stumpy in cold weather
Staff member
Welcome to B&B. You've obviously had a few bad times at restaurants ... :mellow:
 

OldSaw

The wife's investment
Welcome to B&B.

What?!? Only 27 steps? I would have thought restaurant serving would have required a whole WIKI. But hey, what do I know.
 
I finally gave up reading it all. While much of it is reasonable, some of it is contrary to procedures and practices that many companies put in place. Establishments set policies for service and there's no pleasing everybody 100% of the time.
 
Welcome to B&B. Interesting choice of first posts.

I disagree about bringing things out before they are ordered. I expect I will be brought water before I have to do anything. Same deal with chips at a mexican restaurant or bread at an italian place. These things are complimentary and expected by most customers, and the waiter should bring them out without being asked. If you don't want chips or water, either ask them not to bring them out or don't eat/drink them. What's the harm?

You seem to have very high expectations. I appreciate good service, but people make mistakes, and to jump on someone because they brought out condiments at an inappropriate time or didn't understand the details of your custom order is ridiculous. A friendly waiter who tries to get what I want right will do just fine in my book every time, even with a few mistakes. Some things you mention are inexcusable, but lighten up a bit. The person is bringing you food and drinks, not performing surgery. You'll have a better time when eating, and you won't be considered a bad customer/poor tipper.
 
This whole guide is flawed. There is no protocol for "fly in the soup".

I suggest less dining at Denny's. Despite the deliciousness and clever name of the "moons over my hammy", it is notorius for poor service.
 
I disagree about bringing things out before they are ordered. I expect I will be brought water before I have to do anything. Same deal with chips at a mexican restaurant or bread at an italian place. These things are complimentary and expected by most customers, and the waiter should bring them out without being asked. If you don't want chips or water, either ask them not to bring them out or don't eat/drink them. What's the harm?

WHY should you expect your server to READ YOUR MIND? If you want a glass of water, you should simply ORDER ONE. WHY is that so hard to do? WHY should you expect something you didn't order to be brought out? The CUSTOMER is the person doing the ordering, NOT the waitstaff.

The servers can be CONSIDERATE enough to ASK you instead of just plopping bread, chips & salsa, or a glass of water or refill of soda or refill your glass with tea or refill your cofee without YOUR PERMISSION to do so. It's NOT up to THEM to say what I want, that's ONLY, ONLY, ONLY, UP TO ME, the customer.

You seem to have very high expectations. I appreciate good service, but people make mistakes, and to jump on someone because they brought out condiments at an inappropriate time or didn't understand the details of your custom order is ridiculous. A friendly waiter who tries to get what I want right will do just fine in my book every time, even with a few mistakes. Some things you mention are inexcusable, but lighten up a bit.


NO, what is ridiculous is bringing out OBVIOUS mistakes to the table when your server is supposed to compare their written order with the plate of food or if another server runs the food to the table, that server should compare the ticket with the food. If the ticket is incorrect, well of course the other server running the food is not at fault.

It's NOT ridiculous to EXPECT service that will go well. It's ridiculous to think when you go to a restaurant you are going to have lots of mistakes with your order as if you are at McDonald's or something. Sure, everybody makes mistakes, but some servers seem to not TRY to PREVENT THEM such as bringing out a wrong entree when they WROTE DOWN the order. I mean, come on, one time I had ordered an appetizer as my meal, which was bbq chicken nachos, which me and my husband's waiter brought a plate of quesadillas to our table, but got my husband's burger correct. He ended up admitting he pressed the wrong button. I sure bet he WROTE IT DOWN correctly though, so he COULD have VERIFIED that paper, but was TOO LAZY AND UNCARING to do so, so he look like a complete IDIOT bringing out VERY OBVIOUS to the EYES completely wrong food for only a party of 2. If I would have been in a party of 6 or more, I would be a lot more forgiving, but being that he only had 2 plates to verify, that's PATHETIC to not CATCH that mistake IN THE KITCHEN. He didn't verify that written order.

If they misunderstood details, that's THEIR FAULT. REPEATING the order is ESSENTIAL, because I have had 2 times 2 different servers thought I meant I wanted my ribs completely dry with bbq sauce "ON THE SIDE" when all I ordered was "2 SIDES of bbq sauce." There's a HUGE DIFFERENCE in the 2 situations. The 2 sides of bbq sauce is EXTRA. I NEVER, EVER, ONCE said "ON THE SIDE." If they would have REPEATED my order, my ribs would have been delivered correctly.

Just 2 weeks ago even my husband ordered a strawberry lemonade and our waiter said "So a water and a dr. pepper", which my husband said "No, a strawberry lemonade." If he wouldn't have repeated the drink orders, he would have gotten them wrong.

The things about the condiments, it's NOT YOU that is having your food get cold or cool while you wait for something you ordered WITH your meal to ENJOY eating your meal. I DIDN'T go out to eat to eat a dry sandwich or burger, to eat ribs with hardly any bbq sauce the way the restaurant normally fixes them, to eat my fries without any ranch, to eat my salad with a tiny bit of dressing, etc. I went out to eat to ENJOY MY FOOD. Without those condiments, the food doesn't taste that great. The condiments are just as important as the REST of the meal. It's just like not having your fries with a burger. One goes with the other. I have had to wait as long as 5 minutes at times for some condiments that I ORDERED WITH MY FOOD, NOT when the food arrived around 30 minutes later. The server could have decide to bring them out ahead of time if they are too lazy to verify the food or if some other server brings out the food.

What is ridiculous is to pay someone well to get your order wrong and make your dining experience miserable. What's ridiculous is to be brought out EXTREMELY OBVIOUS mistakes to the table such as a missing side dish. In the past year, a waitress brought out our food without a baked potato my husband ordered. I even asked her to bring out the condiments ahead of time, so I had those beforehand, so all she had to do was verify the entrees themselves. She was TOO LAZY to take her WRITTEN ORDER and COMPARE that written order with the food. A side dish that is missing is like a DUH, OBVIOUS MISTAKE. She didn't even apologize and my husband wasn't mean about it, he was very nice. She stupidly was looking on the ticket on the tray at our table when he mentioned it. She should have been looking at her pad of paper she wrote our order on instead, because she possibly could have forgotten to put the order in for the baked potato. Even if she put the order in correctly, it was HER JOB to "BRING" the food out as CORRECTLY AS POSSIBLE without having to touch the food to NOTICE the mistake.
 
I suppose the obvious next question is:
How does this relate to removal of facial hair?

This one is throwing me. She typed quite a lengthy post, and replied to my specific comment, indicating that it isn't some sort of spam. She doesn't seem to be selling anything, and it doesn't seem like a troll. But, she appears out of nowhere, posts on a topic unrelated to the topic of the board (though this is the barber shop, so it is within the subject matter of the sub-forum), and only seems interested in talking about this particular subject, about which she is quite vehement.

Springs1: you want to hop in here and at least introduce yourself? We're a friendly bunch, and would be happy to discuss wait service and other topics with you, but you're coming off pretty strange.
 
This is more of a guide of how to serve Springs1 well, rather than how to be a good server.

The simple fact of the matter is that everyone likes to be treated different, and different people are going to like different styles of service.

I like the service at Ed Debevic's. It is a shame that the one here in L.A. closed down.

Of course, I'm a william's mug soap man, and I don't need to be pampered by the wait staff.
 
She reminds me of the lady in the movie "waiting" who kept complaining and got much more back than she wanted.
 
Oh no! This is like the opposite of the 'Nothing' thread. It's the anti-nothing. It's definitely something. Far too much of something but we don't know what. At least with nothing you know what you're getting but this, this is a whole lot of something I just don't understand.

Actually I do understand. A quick bit of Googling reveals this is just some person who spouts off the same stuff verbatim in various forums on the web. She seems to have various other rants too if you dig a little. I won't bother posting the links as they aren't worth the time to read and the over use of capitalisation just give me a headache.

I don't think we'll get much intelligent shaving talk here.

Simon
 
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