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Horrible doctor experience

Thursday night my Mom was in significant pain and it did not seem she was getting the help she needed. I went to the facility she was at and stayed the night with her to make sure the nurses stayed on top of her pain.

Friday morning one of the doctors came in with a drug regimen that sounded wonderful. This doctor had survived a brain tumor and skull reconstruction so I was extremely comfortable with her recommendations. She planned on having several drugs compounded and a narcotic cocktail that should help with the pain. The doctor left shortly then returned and suggested that we have hospice come in as well to help her with making Mom comfortable. Keep in mind she is already in an end of life facility so she should not suffer pain anyway.

I agreed to consider hospice in as well but I did inquire about the cost. Medicare will cover one or the other, room & board at a facility or hospice. The doctor urged me to follow what she said. I advised her that even though I have control over Mom's medical that I still intended to discuss with my brothers before making any split decisions. She said she would have hospice come to me and if I did not like what they had to say I could cancel/not sign.

Over the next couple of hours I made a few phone calls and sat down with the director of the facility to inquire why they could not do comfort care without hospice considering this was the reason we chose their facility. We had already planned on hospice at home for the upcoming week. We just really wanted to get a baseline for meds before we took control at home. The director explained that we were given wrong information about their facility. With that I said okay if we have to pay I am fine with that, but I wanted to know if I could pay for hospice and allow Medicare to pay room and board. There is a $40.00 day difference. She said she did not think so. Next I receive a call form my Mom, hospice is in her room down the hall and wanted to talk with us. I headed to Mom's room and talked to the hospice representative. I posed the question to her about payment. She knew hospice was cheaper than room and board and said no one has ever asked if they could pay the hospice bill themselves. Now the hospice representative left the room and here is where stuff got crazy. She was gone about a minute and this is what transpired.

My Mom's door flies open and the doctor is yelling, "why don't you guys quit screwing around", (I thought briefly this was a joke) I said excuse me? The doctor said again "why are you screwing around squabbling over $40.00 a day and this woman is in pain". I said excuse me, do not yell at me. The doctor continues to yell stating "I am sorry I am having a bad day and you are screwing with me over money". I sternly told her this time, you are not going to yell at me. Next she says "fine I wont treat her, you go find her another doctor, I am not going to help her", as she threw her hands up stethoscope in hand. She turned around stormed out the door and slammed it. Thankfully she did this in front of the hospice nurse and also the social worker for the facility. Both of these women were in shock over what they just witnessed. My mom, crying at this point looks at them and said, she's having a bad day? I think I am having a bad day. I was informed less than 48 hours ago that I am terminal. I just told all of my children yesterday along with grandchildren. I have another grandson on his way now that I have to face and tell I am going to die soon. My Mom headed to the bathroom and vomited for some time from pain and upset. She wanted out of there ASAP. So I did get her out and we have her in the hospital with wonderful nurses. She is handling pain, no vomiting and she is eating. I will move her tomorrow either to another center or just bring her home a few days early.

What I need help with is advice on who to report this to. This doctor should not be working with anyone that has more feelings than a rock. Her behavior was worse than anything I have ever witnessed. I plan to write a letter to the hospital she works out of but I know there must be other people who need to be informed. Any suggestions?
 
Sorry you and your mom had to witness such an unprofessional display. You could write a letter to the state medical board outlining the facts of what happened and listing the names of the witnesses involved. The medical board will probably send a letter to the physician outlining your complaint and concerns. If this doctor has several complaints the state may choose to do something about it but most likely it will just be the nasty gram. In most of these cases word of mouth works wonders, the social workers and nursing staff all talk to people and say things like "oh Dr So and So, I don't like her she treats patients badly" and of course you have the option of telling all of your friends about the incident. I'm glad you got your mom moved to another place and know that she is being made comfortable.
 
ok, while our systems are not necessarily the same, my father had some issues while his mother was in the hospital after being diagnosed as terminal as well. He is the type of person not to take things like this well, and managed to get some done about it. If you really want to get some attention about an issue like this I would recommend finding out who the head/director of the hospital is. You want the person who is in charge of the entire hospital and it's day to day functions.

Before you go to meet this person, you also want to find out who the board of directors/governors etc is that run this hospital. This board of people will be the ones the director/chief etc reports to. Find out if there is a memeber or two on the board who lead the group. If you have any problems with the head of the hospital you can take your complaints to the board. Usually just the mention of these people, especially if know their names and how to get ahold of them, will be enough to get things done without having to go that far.

My father had a few things corrected this way. One being a nurse who said something really stupid and insensitive to my grandmother. Worse even then what that idiot doctor said to you guys.

In another incident a whole section of the hospital had to be shut down and the walls torn apart to fix some wiring which caused faulty lighting to fail during some testing and nobody had bothered to report and get fixed.

short version:
Head of hospital
Board which controls hospital
State agencies.

Being in Canada I don't know anything about the state medical agencies, so can't be of much help there, but can't see you needing to go that far. Besides, if things go really badly , you can always call up a major local newspaper.

Also, I'd like to pass on my condolences. I've lost my grandmother this way, the women who would have been my mother in law in the near future passed away early this year and my grandfather on my other side was just diagnosed with stage 4 cancer as well. If your hospice is anything like ours here, they will be great for you, I highly recommend them.
 
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Man, that's awful. I'd second what others said about contacting the doctor's boss, and the then one more boss up the chain.

I'm glad you are prepping for the pain meds needed. The one bad experience I had with my mother and hospice care was due to an early morning lack of effective pain meds, and I had to raise a pretty big ruckus to get it taken care of in a somewhat timely fashion. It was a very bad stretch of time for her, and I regret it happened to this day.

Make sure the people you are dealing with know that pain management is a huge priority, and ask them "if the meds we have on hand aren't doing the job, what can we do to fix it fast?" When it was my father's turn, we asked those kind of questions so it never became a problem.

God keep you in these difficult times.
 
I'm sorry to hear about the overall experience. It doesn't help when the doctor "pops a bolt" and reacts the way she did.

Doctors are human. They make mistakes and like everyone else, how they interact with others is determined by past experience... it's not something that is assigned like a magical spell with the medical degree. There are some bad ones out there. It might help to think that maybe the doctor's inappropriate outburst may have been a result of her thinking that all the talking was delaying what she thought was a genuine attempt on her part to help your mother with her pain. You said she was a cancer survivor; maybe she could relate to what your mother is going through.

This being said, I agree that some action should be taken. You need to contact the facility director and tell them your story. Believe me, a well-phrased latter of complaint will get action. I wrote a letter of complaint to my clinic after I was kept waiting for over 45 minutes for an office call. Both the director and my doctor called me to discuss the matter the day the letter got there. Did it do any good? I'm not sure, but it felt good to have been listened to.

Truly bad doctors, I believe, simply can't be doctors. I think they get forced into research positions or they get their licenses revoked. I'm sure it happens. This episode needs to be addressed.

My sincere condolences on everything your family is going through. You may have heard this so many times that it may have lost meaning to you, but I do mean it. Take care.

Don
 
Wendy, sorry to hear that. That doctor sure acted unprofessionally. Your mother does not deserve that.

Unfortunately, I have no suggestions as to what you could do (other than the standard write a letter thing). Your family is in my thoughts and prayers!
 
First contact the Hospital's Nursing Supervisor that's on for the day...(all hospitals have them) any of them will do. Inform them of the incident...and all that witnessed the MD and her actions.
The hospital nursing supervisor will have all the necessary contact's from there...and should provide them to you.
Sorry to hear of the troubles...there certainly is no reasonable explanation for the outburst.
 
You're getting really good advice here. I have friends I can ask if you still need more information since I do work in a hospital.
 
Sorry about the bad news. But like everyone else definitely talk to the head of hospital on that doctor and her outburst. Just the unprofessional and flat out insensitivity in my opinion is enough to make flip out on her.

My step dad was in hospice at home and if some doctor did that to my mother... I hate to think what she would do.
 
First contact the Hospital's Nursing Supervisor that's on for the day...(all hospitals have them) any of them will do. Inform them of the incident...and all that witnessed the MD and her actions.
The hospital nursing supervisor will have all the necessary contact's from there...and should provide them to you.
Sorry to hear of the troubles...there certainly is no reasonable explanation for the outburst.

Agreed. Have an incident report filed by the facility. Ask for a copy of the report. Forward the report and a letter with your details to the Missouri Medical Board See here:

http://pr.mo.gov/healingarts-complaint-forms.asp

I'm afraid not much action will happen by the state but at least they will have a record of the occurrence. I work with physicians and it amazes me the personalities of some of these professionals. Good luck.
 
I work with physicians and it amazes me the personalities of some of these professionals. Good luck.

+1!

I could tell you so many stories about their complete disregard for social or legal norms and expectations. However, they are usually civil with patients.
 
Wendy, my condolences. You may wish to ask to speak with the facility's ombudsperson. I'd save that for later, however. What matters most now is precious time spent with your mom. Continued prayers.
 
Wow, that's awful. I'm sorry to hear about everything going on with your mom. Unfortunately I had a similar experience happen with my father back in November of last year. My father was announced terminal with pancreatic cancer. They said he had maybe 3 weeks to live if he was lucky. He was pretty much doing fine day by day and pretty hopeful even though he knew he was not going to be with us much longer. This was quite a shock as he was 72 and walked 6 miles a day. Anyways my father was doing quite well and I was able to come visit him for a few days after he was diagnosed. Well when I was there, my dad was talking to the doctor about possible treatment options when suddenly the dr. says very non-chalanty you are going to die. we are just waiting for the day. My dad's face just turned white and he pretty much gave up hope at that point. He basically lost his will to live. He died 2 days later. I really think that doctors sometimes aren't the best at seeing the family's grief around these things.
 
Sorry you and your mom had to witness such an unprofessional display. You could write a letter to the state medical board outlining the facts of what happened and listing the names of the witnesses involved. The medical board will probably send a letter to the physician outlining your complaint and concerns. If this doctor has several complaints the state may choose to do something about it but most likely it will just be the nasty gram. In most of these cases word of mouth works wonders, the social workers and nursing staff all talk to people and say things like "oh Dr So and So, I don't like her she treats patients badly" and of course you have the option of telling all of your friends about the incident. I'm glad you got your mom moved to another place and know that she is being made comfortable.
What he said.

My condolences to you.

I recently lost my father and both grandparents in the past few years. Its hard enough without some ******* doctor throwing a tantrum. Totally unacceptable.
 
Thanks for all of the suggestions. I am taking notes now and trying to get everyone's names. I do have the evil lady's name and her director but I need to get witnesses names. I know the social worker was filing a report on our behalf. She was very nice and felt horrible for what she had witnessed.
 
So sorry for your predicament... prayers for your mother.. and you and family.

sounds like the dr. is still having a hard time and is maybe not ready to be "treating" patients just yet..
you will want to try to make sure that this outburst does not happen again or to any others who may be experiencing her bedside manners

you have experienced that situation for a reason... now you will be able to help the doc and others...
funny how that works
prayers for you Wendy
 
At one time an important part of being an M.D was you relationship with patients. Now many M.Ds treat people like a carpenter treats a block of wood.(probably an unfair comparison since many carpenters treat wood better)

I would just write to her employer and move on. Just take care of your mother.
 
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