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Hone ID help

Hey everyone, I've had these two hones for awhile now, and don't really know what they are. Any ideas?
Thanks.
Rich
 
Not I, I'm bad with Japanese and bad with low grit stuff. Wild guess on the second, maybe a dalmore? I think the label is the key there. There's a good 3 or 4 words that can probably be made out with some effort.

Illegible labels are the worst tease.


@Gamma, FTFY
 
Thanks guys,
Yep, that label is driving me crazy. I can ALMOST make out a few words, but it's just too worn.
 
I can't tell. Maybe the sellers would know? I don't use Jnats much, but I've seen quite a variety of stones being called "Honyama"--maybe check out a dedicated Jnat vendor's site for examples of similar stones. Not sure abut the second one either. Looks kind of sandstone-ish. Maybe Ohio bluestone or a Queer Creek variant? Also depends on where you and the sellers are located. I am assuming a North American location. In Europe, the second one could be something else.
 
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