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Columbo

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EXACTLY, both would deliver hard checks to opponents . . . but neither one came close to racking up the number of injuries inflicted as Stevens.

Mark Howe was not so much of an open-ice body checker. On the late 1980s teams during his peak, that work was left to Marsh and MacCrimmon, and his usual defense pairing of Kjell Samuelsson. But at his best, Howe was probably the quickest transition defenseman in the sport for his era, and an unmatched neutral-zone virtuoso at head-manning a breaking rush around a trap and down the lanes. Quicker (not faster) than Paul Coffey, but not quite as talented in the offensive zone. Out of the defensive zone, Howe was a play-maker; Coffey a more formidable offensive force in his own right.

I picked Howe because Stevens was conversely none of those things in the neutral zone; he was a head-hunting intimidator at center ice, but a very good fit in the trap system played by the Devils during their 90s runs. Very tough, durable and sturdy. Very valuable traits for a defenseman playing a trap scheme. But not in the very top echelon of defensemen, comparatively speaking. I say that knowing he has his boosters. But Mark Howe would have blown right past him on the breakout. So would have Coffey.

The closest banger from a NY-area team that matched Stevens aggressive physicality was Potvin. Potvin could rock some heads in the neutral zone. But Potvin was about three levels superior than Stevens in just about every other facet of the game, and was only bettered by Ohr (for a year or so on bad knees) and Larry Robinson his only rough equal during Potvin's peak years.

... so I guess I didn't leave it at that.
 

Owen Bawn

Garden party cupcake scented
For someone who grew up in the 60s today's NHL is barely recognizable. The speed and size is incredible, but the influx of international and college educated players has changed everything. There isn't a goon or an enforcer left on most teams. Brad Marchand is the tough guy on the Bruins? When he licks another player he isn't fighting him bare knuckled- he's actually licking the guy's face with his tongue.

The typical NHL rinks are too small for the size and speed of today's guys. The Olympic size sheet should be the standard, but it won't happen.
 

FarmerTan

"Self appointed king of Arkoland"
Let us not forget my DeadWings in all this talk of some great Hockey.


But will they ever be great again?


Any team will hire a Russian nowadays!
 

shoelessjoe

"I took out a Chihuahua!"
For someone who grew up in the 60s today's NHL is barely recognizable ...There isn't a goon or an enforcer left on most teams...
Owen, if you haven’t already watched it, check out the excellent documentary, Ice Guardians ... I believe it’s still available on Netflix

Trailer link:
 

FarmerTan

"Self appointed king of Arkoland"
Have yiz all seen 'Goon'? A great hockey fighting film about generations of goons.
I have never heard of this.

You keep surprising me my friend!

First music, now Goons!

I'll have to watch this one.

Who was the guy for the Red Wings that was their "enforcer" in the early '90s?

Dang, my brain sucks. He was something. I had a friend who was friends with him. He'd autograph cards for my friend all the time. Beer and drug money for both of them, I figger. What was his name? I know he got busted once at the Canadian border. Think he's dead now. He was younger than me, I think.

Don't get brain bleeds my friend!
 
Goon is a fantastic movie.


I have never heard of this.

You keep surprising me my friend!

First music, now Goons!

I'll have to watch this one.

Who was the guy for the Red Wings that was their "enforcer" in the early '90s?

Dang, my brain sucks. He was something. I had a friend who was friends with him. He'd autograph cards for my friend all the time. Beer and drug money for both of them, I figger. What was his name? I know he got busted once at the Canadian border. Think he's dead now. He was younger than me, I think.

Don't get brain bleeds my friend!
I believe you’re thinking of Bob Probert maybe?
 
Goon is one of my favorite hockey movies. SeanN William Scott, Liev Schreiber (who used to narrate the HBO specials for the Winter Classics) and the entire cast are fantastic. A must watch for any hockey fan.

so happy to have the sport back tomorrow, too.
 

FarmerTan

"Self appointed king of Arkoland"
Goon is a fantastic movie.



I believe you’re thinking of Bob Probert maybe?
YES! I never would have been able to dig that out! Thank you! If my dad were alive he'd kick my tail up between my shoulder blades for forgetting his name!

Apologies in advance for not being a politically korrect non knuckle dragging pansie boiii, but I miss closed head injury hockey.

Sue me, lol.
 

shoelessjoe

"I took out a Chihuahua!"
Let us not forget my DeadWings in all this talk of some great Hockey.
“Great Hockey” That’s an inderstatement, sir!
Though I loathe the Colorado Divealanche, they & some of their opponents* provided those of us on the Front Range with some of the finest hockey ever played ... and especially those mid-90s to early-2000s Wings-Av matchups!
*Wings; Sharks; Stars; ‘95-96 Hawks; Kings; Blues & once every season, the Pens; the Failures; The Ranger$ & of course, my beloved Devils, who I watched live & in person, go down in flames to the Forsberg-less Avs in game-7 of the 01’ Finals 😫😢

That said, my Favorite Wings-Divalanche moment ... Patrick Roy’s Statue of Liberty impression 🤣🤣:
 

FarmerTan

"Self appointed king of Arkoland"
Detroit has a rich tradition. My Dad was born and raised there. Snuck into Tiger games as a boy. Saw Babe Ruth, way past his prime though.

Watched Gordie Howe bleed, lol. No helmets.

Honestly, my son was Homeskooled. A while back I asked him if he was mad about it. He said: how many 8 year olds get to play with machetes during recess? LOL.

I raised Tarzan!
 

FarmerTan

"Self appointed king of Arkoland"
“Great Hockey” That’s an inderstatement, sir!
Though I loathe the Colorado Divealanche, they & some of their opponents* provided those of us on the Front Range with some of the finest hockey ever played ... and especially those mid-90s to early-2000s Wings-Av matchups!
*Wings; Sharks; Stars; ‘95-96 Hawks; Kings; Blues & once every season, the Pens; the Failures; The Ranger$ & of course, my beloved Devils, who I watched live & in person, go down in flames to the Forsberg-less Avs in game-7 of the 01’ Finals 😫😢

That said, my Favorite Wings-Divalanche moment ... Patrick Roy’s Statue of Liberty impression 🤣🤣:
Yeah, ole Patrick was easy for a Wingnut to loathe!
 
YES! I never would have been able to dig that out! Thank you! If my dad were alive he'd kick my tail up between my shoulder blades for forgetting his name!

Apologies in advance for not being a politically korrect non knuckle dragging pansie boiii, but I miss closed head injury hockey.

Sue me, lol.
I grew up with hockey in the early 90s. The physicality is what really got me into it, despite being the ripe ol’ age of 6 at the time 😂

it truly is a different game now. Speed and finesse while the enforcers are quickly becoming a thing of the past. Every now and then you get some good tilts/line brawls and it quickly takes me back to the good ol days.

And while I fully support players enforcing “the code”, sadly too many players took their own lives because of this mentality and the lack of proper clinical diagnoses in regards to CTE.
 

FarmerTan

"Self appointed king of Arkoland"
Joey Kocur
He was good. Or bad? Lol.
I grew up with hockey in the early 90s. The physicality is what really got me into it, despite being the ripe ol’ age of 6 at the time 😂

it truly is a different game now. Speed and finesse while the enforcers are quickly becoming a thing of the past. Every now and then you get some good tilts/line brawls and it quickly takes me back to the good ol days.

And while I fully support players enforcing “the code”, sadly too many players took their own lives because of this mentality and the lack of proper clinical diagnoses in regards to CTE.
Yeah, I'm sorry. I do have chronic brain bleeds, so I'll use that excuse for my nastiness! I'm a forced into retirement RN, so I've seen WAY more brain issues than I wish. Most heartbreaking thing I saw were kids young enough to be my kids screwed up for doing crap I did at their age.

These gents playing sports today are GIANTS. I mean, how big were guys like Fran Tarkington? (spelling?) And how big were the guys hitting them? Totally different game today.

But a QB back then earned EVERY yard they got.
 

Doc4

Stumpy in cold weather
Staff member
Stevens was a dirty *** who went out to hurt players. Hockey is a contact sport, and I love a good body check as much as the next guy. But Stevens took it too far. He shortened careers with his tactics.
As rough and tumblers go, Scott Stevens was no Denis Potvin. Closer to his own era, he was no Mark Howe, either.

I'll just leave it at that.

On the one hand we don't want it to be too much of a goon show, and on the other hand we don't want it to turn into "soccer on ice" where the slightest contact means flop on the ice and roll around like you are shot.

Now we just have to all agree on where the "that's too much" lines are on either side of "good hockey" ... and get all the players to buy in.

Piece o' cake!
 
I'm excited as hell for the return of hockey! I'm a Bruins fan myself. I can't excuse Marchand's antics, but he has mostly put them behind him. It's unbelievable the offensive player he turned into once he let go of his agitator role a little.

What some of you have said is true, though: the game has changed a lot, even in just the last decade. Fights are almost a rarity now, and that's definitely a little disappointing. But the game is still great, and I'm hoping I can watch the B's avenge last year's heartbreaking loss.
 
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