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Help with Perfection Razor Hone, Carborundum Combo and Swaty

I got these three hones in an auction and wondered if anyone knew how they compare to each other and which to use for what. As well as how the other two compare to the 3 line Swaty from Austria as it has a couple chips but should be useable if careful, so if the other two are just as fine it would be easier as they don't have any chips.
The first is a "Perfection Razor Hone" made by Swift and Sunderlin of New York. "To the shaving public is offered the most perfect method known for sharpening Razors and fine edged tools, giving a cutting edge far keener than by any other means. A trial will convince the most skeptical." It says to hone the usual way over the perforated side which rips (or strips hard to make out) or rubs off all wire or feather edge to pull and hurt. It then mentions to strop on the perforated side of the strop and the perforations create a suction to keep the razor down on the leather. Interesting but I don't have the strop. The hone is two sided (almond and dark brown) but it doesn't mention the other side so I assume that is just a mount like a coticule?
The Carborundum No 152 is a two grit hone one side being made in a grit coarse enough to quickly bring the dullest razor to an edge, yet fine enough not to tear or roughen the edge, and the other side fine enough to bring the blade to that much desired smooth, velvety edge that cuts clean without pulling. It also had the advantage of doing a quick job of honing. Just a few strokes on the coarse side and the razor is keen and without nicks. A few more on the fine side, a rub or two over a good strop and it is ready for use. (all I have seen takes a bit more then a few each on hone and strop but good for marketing I guess.)

So any idea on the relative grits (or how they compare to each other and the swaty) or what stones you would use to sharpen an almost shave ready razor (honed by seller and looks fine but not sharp enough though I'm waiting on a strop so could be why it pulled,) and then to maintain one? Also would any of these be good enough to sharpen up a rough razor and if not any cheap locally available stones to get them ready for these? Not a necessity but would like to get another razor to give each a break. I'm a newbie by the way but a double edge user. I couldn't find anything on the Perfection hone, and nothing on the No. 152 combo specifically.
 
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The first is a "Perfection Razor Hone" made by Swift and Sunderlin of New York. The hone is two sided (almond and dark brown) but it doesn't mention the other side so I assume that is just a mount like a coticule?


If I didn't know any better (and I don't) I would say that looks like a Belgian coticule with holes in it.


The Carborundum No 152

A man made razor hone made in the U.S. Made in lots of different grits. I don't know the grit of your particular hone but do be careful with it as it might be very aggressive.


So any idea on the relative grits (or how they compare to each other and the swaty)

No, sorry:redface:




or what stones you would use to sharpen an almost shave ready razor (honed by seller and looks fine but not sharp enough though I'm waiting on a strop so could be why it pulled,) and then to maintain one?
The Swaty is a fine "barber hone" that will keep an edge thats starting to pull a bit in shave ready shape. Its a great finish hone IMHO.



Also would any of these be good enough to sharpen up a rough razor and if not any cheap locally available stones to get them ready for these? Not a necessity but would like to get another razor to give each a break. I'm a newbie by the way but a double edge user. I couldn't find anything on the Perfection hone, and nothing on the No. 152 combo specifically.

I'll refer these questions to the more learned here.
good luck.
 
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Thanks, maybe someone will have an idea of the grits or how to get a good guess by feel or something.
I'll have to snag a better pic of the one that might be a coticule once I find my camera card.
 
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I'm confused by the photos and descriptions. I see a 2 sided Carborundum, a Swaty, and a hone that looks like a coticule with holes drilled in it. Which one is the Perfection hone? Was it in a Perfection box or is it labeled as such?
 
Out of those three hones, the only one I can match with the description you gave is the Swaty.

Which hone matches which description?
 
The Perfection Hone is the one with the holes in it on the right. It came in a box labeled perfection hone with instructions that mention the holes. It doesn't mention what it is made from.
The Carbonundrum is the one on the left which also came in a box with instructions but I couldn't make out anything on the box besides Carbonundrum. What appears to be the main page is the No. 152 but it also mentions a No. 201 but I think it said "another fine combination stone" so I think that was an advertisement as it had prices for both plus some one grit stones.
 
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OK, have you ever lapped a hone? If so, try lapping the "Perfection" hone and see if the yellow side produces a milky slurry and the dark side a purple slurry. If yes, then you have a coticule. I have a Perfection hone that is about half the size of a Swaty and that hone has holes in it but clearly your hone box is larger. Some coticules were branded with company names, so it is possible that the Perfection Hone Company, if such an entity existed, just drilled coticules and called them Perfection Hones.
 
Thanks, I haven't lapped a hone yet but I know what your talking about. Since I don't have a "slurry stone" is there something else I can use? I don't have a lapping whetstone either, just those 3 in the pics is all I have atm.
It also came with a nick free straight razor to practice on but I haven't tried anything yet since I was trying to figure out the stones. I already have a Carbomagnetic XX Griffon that is supposed to be honed and almost shave ready so I won't feel too bad if I make a mistake on the nameless one. Don't think it had a name left on it.
Thanks again everyone.
 
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You can lap with wet/dry sandpaper on a flat surface using quite a bit of water. Alternatively, you have a PM!
 
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