Has anyone else seen this case for an Old Type

[Jake]

Seems like the Standard Set Old Type Gillettes have been finding their way into my collection lately. And although I've seen this razor model before, I've never seen it in this case before. In fact, I've never seen this case before. No serial # on the razor itself, but no doubt it is an authentic Gillette. What is the consensus among the other members of this forum? What is the lineage of this case? Mr. Razor's archive doesn't display the logo as seen on the liner of this case.

Couple slightly bent teeth, but the Gillette logo with the "G" in the "D" -- meaning it was likely exported from the USA.

Overall it looks to be in pretty good shape -- and must be from sometime around 1910. 100+ years old!

I didn't illustrate the opened head assembly, but there is no serial # there or on the inner portion of the assembly screw attachment.

What do you folks think? An aberration? Or is it a model that you have & Bthat just isn't displayed on Achim's site? Or did I miss it there?

 

[MacDaddy]

Yes, I've seen sets like that come out of the French market before. That would also seem to fit with the "G-inside-D" mark there, too. I would assume that it's actually from the '20s -- after the patent expiration.

 

[celestino]

Very nice razor, Leonard.

 

[Jake]

Yes, I've seen sets like that come out of the French market before. That would also seem to fit with the "G-inside-D" mark there, too. I would assume that it's actually from the '20s -- after the patent expiration.

Thanks Porter. Have you seen -- or do you have -- photos of the sets you're aware of? I wonder who has them. And why do you think they ended up in France? I do not recall exactly how I acquired this set. But the razor did come in that case.

 

[Chester]

I am pretty sure that I have an old type in that style of case.
-- Chet

 

[alex2363]

I konw of the New Improved variation having this symbol and 1918 Pocket Editions .( D and G )

 

[alex2363]

Your case seems to match the 1918 Old type Bull Dog case

 

[alex2363]

here

 

[alex2363]

Seems like the Standard Set Old Type Gillettes have been finding their way into my collection lately. And although I've seen this razor model before, I've never seen it in this case before. In fact, I've never seen this case before. No serial # on the razor itself, but no doubt it is an authentic Gillette. What is the consensus among the other members of this forum? What is the lineage of this case? Mr. Razor's archive doesn't display the logo as seen on the liner of this case.

Couple slightly bent teeth, but the Gillette logo with the "G" in the "D" -- meaning it was likely exported from the USA.

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the D inside of the G may denote a old line model from the standpoint of post patent activity. Reference Krumholtz pages 174, 183 and 186 for incidences of the D inside the G and that X denoted repair units. It could be that the D was an original marking when the plate was made and the old G markings were augmented to reflectsale of these surplus parts in the 1920s along with other G marked razors to make it appear that these were 1920 and beyond manufactured units.

 

[mr-razor]

I´ve some of these Old Type sets. They are all French sets with this "G" in "D" stamp. I´ll post some pictures tomorrow.

 

[MacDaddy]

Thanks Porter. Have you seen -- or do you have -- photos of the sets you're aware of? I wonder who has them. And why do you think they ended up in France? I do not recall exactly how I acquired this set. But the razor did come in that case.

I see them pop up on eBay from French sellers not all that infrequently. I can try to turn up some links to old auctions. In the meantime here's a thread from a few months ago that had a few examples in it. One point of interest is that Achim's case in that thread has the "Gillette Safety Razor" text on the snap cover where yours and Stan's are just plain.

I'm just spitballing here, but it's possible that these cases were made locally and just the razors were imported. I have this probably later case that was made in France, even though whatever razor came in it originally probably was imported from England. So there's at least some precedent for Gillette having some level of manufacturing in France beyond just blades, even if it was just made under contract by some other party.

the D inside of the G may denote a old line model from the standpoint of post patent activity. Reference Krumholtz pages 174, 183 and 186 for incidences of the D inside the G and that X denoted repair units. It could be that the D was an original marking when the plate was made and the old G markings were augmented to reflectsale of these surplus parts in the 1920s along with other G marked razors to make it appear that these were 1920 and beyond manufactured units.

I'll need to check Krumholz when I get home this evening to see what exactly you're referring to there, but from all the different examples I've seen I'm reasonably certain that the mark was something akin to a hallmark that was required by the French government (possibly other places in continental Europe, too) on silverplate that was imported into the country. I know that Krumholz talks about the "L" series serial numbers being used by Gillette to mark sets that were returned for repair, and I believe that he does make mention of the "G-inside-D" existing but I don't remember him indicating that he believed it to be a repair mark.

Incidentally, I'm fairly sure that the "D" isn't really supposed to be a letter, but rather just a shield-like shape for the G to sit inside. Jake posted this shot of a French-market NEW DeLuxe Belmont that he's got a while back, and the mark had been enlarged to include a diamond as well as the G:

 

[alex2363]

I see them pop up on eBay from French sellers not all that infrequently. I can try to turn up some links to old auctions. In the meantime here's a thread from a few months ago that had a few examples in it. One point of interest is that Achim's case in that thread has the "Gillette Safety Razor" text on the snap cover where yours and Stan's are just plain.

I'm just spitballing here, but it's possible that these cases were made locally and just the razors were imported. I have this probably later case that was made in France, even though whatever razor came in it originally probably was imported from England. So there's at least some precedent for Gillette having some level of manufacturing in France beyond just blades, even if it was just made under contract by some other party.



I'll need to check Krumholz when I get home this evening to see what exactly you're referring to there, but from all the different examples I've seen I'm reasonably certain that the mark was something akin to a hallmark that was required by the French government (possibly other places in continental Europe, too) on silverplate that was imported into the country. I know that Krumholz talks about the "L" series serial numbers being used by Gillette to mark sets that were returned for repair, and I believe that he does make mention of the "G-inside-D" existing but I don't remember him indicating that he believed it to be a repair mark.

Incidentally, I'm fairly sure that the "D" isn't really supposed to be a letter, but rather just a shield-like shape for the G to sit inside. Jake posted this shot of a French-market NEW DeLuxe Belmont that he's got a while back, and the mark had been enlarged to include a diamond as well as the G:

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So itas not a D, its a shield that surrounds the G for gillette?

 

[alex2363]

I'll need to check Krumholz when I get home this evening to see what exactly you're referring to there, but from all the different examples I've seen I'm reasonably certain that the mark was something akin to a hallmark that was required by the French government (possibly other places in continental Europe, too) on silverplate that was imported into the country. I know that Krumholz talks about the "L" series serial numbers being used by Gillette to mark sets that were returned for repair, and I believe that he does make mention of the "G-inside-D" existing but I don't remember him indicating that he believed it to be a repair mark.

Incidentally, I'm fairly sure that the "D" isn't really supposed to be a letter, but rather just a shield-like shape for the G to sit inside. Jake posted this shot of a French-market NEW DeLuxe Belmont that he's got a while back, and the mark had been enlarged to include a diamond as well as the G:

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Porter, I said it may,( its my theory.) Im just adding my 2 cents.

 

[mr-razor]

It´s a french set called "Pioneer Special No 201". Here is a picture from a 1924 fench catalog and some sets with this logo:

 

[Jake]

Thanks Achim. Beautiful sets & added historical insights. Great to have that small piece of information added into our timeline. Did you determine the date of that advertisement?

 

[alex2363]

Thanks Achim. Beautiful sets & added historical insights. Great to have that small piece of information added into our timeline. Did you determine the date of that advertisement?

Some of these ads dont have date prints on them....i guess his is 20's (1924 Pioneers)

 

[mr-razor]

Thanks Achim. Beautiful sets & added historical insights. Great to have that small piece of information added into our timeline. Did you determine the date of that advertisement?

@Rasierhobel gives me that french catalog of Old Type and New Improved razors for scan it. There is no date print on it, but it shows 1924 blades (since 1925 they comes with 4 digit code). So I believe, the catalog is from around 1924

I love that detective work for collecting :

 

[DutchmanRiver]

@Rasierhobel please send me a digital copy of that catalog, thanks