Last night was my first shave with a Red pack Personna. I tried it out in my EJ DE89. I can see how these would not be aggressive enough for some people, as it was definitely a mild shave, but that's what I was looking for. The shave overall did not seem quite as close as what I have been getting with Astras, but with less irritation, and I didn't have to be quite as meticulous. I can definitely see myself buying a box of these blades in the near future.