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Ethical question ...

So, I'm teaching a couple of composition courses at a community college for the first time this semester. It's a new thing for me, as I've been teaching at an elite liberal arts college for the past few years. It's pretty cool at the CC, actually. I've got students from lots of different backgrounds--suburban kids trying to save a buck, teenage welfare moms trying to get off the dole, older folks who've been laid off and are trying to retrain, folks fresh from the military or prison trying to reintegrate, and so on. There are plenty of slackers, but by and large most of my students are really trying to better themselves, and sometimes making big sacrifices to do so.

It's those sacrifices that lead to this post, actually. It turns out financial aid works a little different at the CC level--in order to cut down on fraud, students have to attend 20% of the class, verified by the instructors, before their finaid is processed. What this means is that students don't get their finaid payouts until six weeks into the semester. The upshot of this is that some of my students have been having real trouble making ends meet while they wait, because they're working part-time or, in some cases, not at all while they go to school full time, and the bills don't stop rolling in. It's taken me awhile to cotton on to this, because they aren't talking to me about it, at least not directly, but it shows up in their writing and in their conversations. I've got students (some with kids) with no cars, no phones, no internet, etc., and a couple, at least, who are having trouble feeding themselves adequately.

As a grad student myself, I'm used to a no-frills life, but this seems unnecessarily harsh, especially when these folks are really working hard in class and living up to their responsibilities as students.

So, as a teacher I have to maintain a certain, restricted and somewhat impersonal sort of relationship with my students--I'm here to teach them, not be their pal--but I'd like to do something about this (though the whole thing may change next week when the payout comes, I hope to continue teaching here in future semesters, and am thinking ahead).

Would I be overstepping bounds if I set up a classroom food bank, at least during the first few weeks? Most everybody knows how tight things can get, so I'm thinking I could just generally ask folks to donate food if they can, and then those that need it can contact me, in my office, to pick it up, no questions asked. No extra credit or anything for those that donate--purely voluntary, with no extraneous incentive--and a degree of anonymity for those who pick it up. Anything extra would go to a food bank.

Just for the record, I'm not playing the bleeding heart here. I haven't been asked for anything, nor has anyone made any such requests to the class, and it's some of my most engaged students that seem to be in this situation. In fact, I started thinking about this when one of my barely-solvent students asked me about starting a clothing drive because the kids in the (crappy) neighborhood where he rents a place don't seem to have adequate cold-weather clothing.

So what do you think? Appropriate or not? I thought I'd bounce it off all of you before taking it further, and depending on how y'all respond, I'll either drop the idea or approach the department chair about it next week.

Thanks,

Ryan
 
I think its a good idea - however im not sure any students will take you up on it. Forgetting that us young people are extremely proud, even if I wasnt - I wouldnt want to go to one of my teachers to beg for food.

(Im a student myself, and I know its not technically begging for food, but I still wouldnt do it)
 
My sense is that it adds a complication to the student-professor relationship that you probably do not want. It is too personal for one thing. This is probably an issue for lots of students at the school besides your students, so it is something that the entire school ought to do not individual professors, especially not for their specific classes. Could harm your relationships with other professors if they thought you were trying to curry favor with the students and better you reputation with them over other professors.

Seems like a shame to have to watch your students suffer, though.
 
I like the idea a lot. I think anonymity is the key, not only to making it work for the students but, just as importantly, to avoiding even the appearance of any ethical impropriety on your part. If you merely facilitate the food drive, but have no idea who is donating or who is receiving donations, you can't be accused of playing favorites or taking an undue interest in any particular student's personal life.

If you can keep it anonymous, I say do it.
 
I think its a good idea - however im not sure any students will take you up on it. Forgetting that us young people are extremely proud, even if I wasnt - I wouldnt want to go to one of my teachers to beg for food.

(Im a student myself, and I know its not technically begging for food, but I still wouldnt do it)

Fair point--I've not always been one to ask for help myself, even when I've really needed it. Still, you never know ... if the option is there ...

But all the same I do want to be respectful of my students and their choices as well. I want to help if I can, but I don't want to be a busybody about it either, if you know what I mean.
 

Commander Quan

Commander Yellow Pantyhose
Instead of setting this up your self perhaps you could collect information on resources that are available in the community. I'm sure there are churches, and other organizations that already do this sort of thing. This information could be posted on bulletin boards and set out in the computer lab, and student union. This would keep everything professional between you and the students and releave you of the hassle of collecting and distributing the collected items.
 
I would see if you could find a third party to come in a 'manage' the program for you. Perhaps another teacher or student. Allow them time to come in your class and explain the program, but make no mention that you are behind it.

You want to ensure there is absolutely no pressure on students to participate.

Of course you wont get any credit for the good deed, but those type of acts are usually the most fulfilling.
 
Instead of setting this up your self perhaps you could collect information on resources that are available in the community. I'm sure there are churches, and other organizations that already do this sort of thing. This information could be posted on bulletin boards and set out in the computer lab, and student union. This would keep everything professional between you and the students and releave you of the hassle of collecting and distributing the collected items.

I would see if you could find a third party to come in a 'manage' the program for you. Perhaps another teacher or student. Allow them time to come in your class and explain the program, but make no mention that you are behind it.

You want to ensure there is absolutely no pressure on students to participate.

Of course you wont get any credit for the good deed, but those type of acts are usually the most fulfilling.


This is an interesting pair of ideas, and raises an interesting option--maybe I could do the food drive stuff (with no participatory pressure, of course), and collect things for the local food pantries. Then folks can donate, and those who need it could get the info on where to go, and I'd have no real direct involvement in the whole thing.
 

luvmysuper

My elbows leak
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I like the idea a lot. I think anonymity is the key, not only to making it work for the students but, just as importantly, to avoiding even the appearance of any ethical impropriety on your part. If you merely facilitate the food drive, but have no idea who is donating or who is receiving donations, you can't be accused of playing favorites or taking an undue interest in any particular student's personal life.

If you can keep it anonymous, I say do it.

This is sound advice.

I would see if you could find a third party to come in a 'manage' the program for you. Perhaps another teacher or student. Allow them time to come in your class and explain the program, but make no mention that you are behind it.

You want to ensure there is absolutely no pressure on students to participate.

Of course you wont get any credit for the good deed, but those type of acts are usually the most fulfilling.

Like Neil says, TOTAL anonymity is key to this working. If you put a student in charge as your surrogate, it only delays dissemination of who's behind it for about 30 minutes. Finding a disinterested third party to manage it will be tougher, but complications from not doing so are too numerous to count.
 
If it's happening to you, it must be happening in all of the other classes. Does the college have any plan to deal with this? There must be some kind of student ombudsman in the administration. It sounds like the situation in your class will take care of itself for this semester in the next week or so. In the meantime, I'd go to the ombudsman and see what you can do at a higher level. There might even be some kind of reverse community outreach to get local merchants to donate things.

If there isn't, I'd push to do this at a highler level than just my class anyway. Things work better on at least a moderate economy of scale and it'll be available to more people. Plus there is probably some administrator who should be looking out for this kind of thing--make them do their job. The other thing that I'd try to do is find a student orgnization to take care of it. You can get involved as a faculty advisor, but I think that it has a better feel to it if it's students taking care of students.

Good job on being sensetive about your students' welfare. That's really going the extra mile. Good luck!
 
You can help them help themselves. Make an assignment for every student to go to a food pantry to request food. Then have them write about their experience.
 
I think the sentiment behind your idea is quite beautiful. Perhaps the effort could better be framed as an ongoing food bank, rather than a food drive. Maybe you could liaise with one of the profs in an appropriate discipline, and help to kick-start a student-driven initiative. I'd think that students going into the policy end of social work would be well poised to administer the effort, soliciting donations not just from the student body, but also from local merchants and corporate entities.

I know that food banks are successful at many college campuses; maybe another school's experience can provide a model that suits your campus. Again, I'd talk to someone involved in teaching social work at your school. Finally, perhaps you could try to involve some of the more fortunate students at the elite liberal arts institution in working with and for their peers at the CC, establishing some sort of inter-campus program.

Just a few random thoughts. Above all, well done. A very thoughtful and sensitive notion.
 
I think the sentiment behind your idea is quite beautiful. Perhaps the effort could better be framed as an ongoing food bank, rather than a food drive. Maybe you could liaise with one of the profs in an appropriate discipline, and help to kick-start a student-driven initiative. I'd think that students going into the policy end of social work would be well poised to administer the effort, soliciting donations not just from the student body, but also from local merchants and corporate entities.

I know that food banks are successful at many college campuses; maybe another school's experience can provide a model that suits your campus. Again, I'd talk to someone involved in teaching social work at your school. Finally, perhaps you could try to involve some of the more fortunate students at the elite liberal arts institution in working with and for their peers at the CC, establishing some sort of inter-campus program.

Just a few random thoughts. Above all, well done. A very thoughtful and sensitive notion.

I think the OP did couch his idea in terms of a food "bank." I am afraid that I used the term food "drive," without realizing that I could be changing the OP's intent. :blushing:
 
I think the OP did couch his idea in terms of a food "bank." I am afraid that I used the term food "drive," without realizing that I could be changing the OP's intent. :blushing:
Right you are; I read too quickly. Here's a link to a piece covering a successful bank, run for and by students.

And hey, Strat, maybe you could donate some Utility Muffins? :wink:
 
Right you are; I read too quickly. Here's a link to a piece covering a successful bank, run for and by students.

And hey, Strat, maybe you could donate some Utility Muffins? :wink:

In point of fact, I have gathered an intimate quantity of dried muffin remnants, and stuffed them inside of my shirt. :tongue:
 
Instead of setting this up your self perhaps you could collect information on resources that are available in the community. I'm sure there are churches, and other organizations that already do this sort of thing. This information could be posted on bulletin boards and set out in the computer lab, and student union. This would keep everything professional between you and the students and releave you of the hassle of collecting and distributing the collected items.

I like this the best. I'll tell you my recent background since it will, obviously, impact my reaction. I'm working as a volunteer in a community in which the entire population (literally) is considered below the poverty line. As such, I just graduated college about a year and a half ago, where I was (and still am) 100% financially responsible for myself.

I've learned working where I am now that there are usually several different organizations offering the type of help you are talking about in any community. Instead of reinventing the wheel, it would be more cost and time effective to just bring the existing resources together (I speak from experience here. I'm working to fight poverty through community building where I am now.). The key would be finding a way to help your students become aware of the resources and understand that they can and should, if they need to, use them.

All that being said, I would like to commend you on your proactive approach to this. Good job being aware of need and actually doing something about it.
 
I think it is a good idea, but as one member mentioned, it might not be prudent nor proper to host it yourself. Take it to your department head, have them refer it on to the chain of command, and get this approved on a campus-wide level.

It shouldn't take too long to get it off the ground. There are plenty of established business models for food-banks, in fact, it is almost a turn-key service once you find a space to operate and can get funding for very modest start-up costs.

Keep it Neutral and Politically Correct. Take care from letting the food-bank become exploited by special interest groups. Be wary of "sponsors." Don't allow your food-bank to become a platform for radical groups, churches, stores, manufacturers, political candidates, sports teams, etc.

Good Luck ... and keep us in the loop as the plot thickens.
 
L

Lo'Tek

I can see how this can be complicated. I can also see where it could blow up in your face. Myself - I wouldn't, or maybe couldn't let the thought of a worst case scenario scare me though. Just because someone is out to take advantage of you (and someone likely could) - you need to be a bigger man than that - I feel. That's what makes your heart as it is. Don't let the world steal it from you by [your] giving it up. I believe there is more wrong in not doing what you feel is right, helpful, and giving than not doing what you have the ability with you to do. Even if you do get stung in the process.

If I may quote a Bible Scripture, and I don’t often do so online. “You must not harden your heart or be closefisted toward your brother.” -Deuteronomy 15:7

I know you know this but unfortunately the hold off in payment is probably due to some taking advantage of the system and ruining it for the sincere ones. I've personally known several Perpetual Career Students who only go to school for write-offs, tuition payments, and student discounts. That's the system loophole through which they live.

The real trick is how to do it without drawing losers. Perhaps just put the word out in private to the more fortunate - maybe even to some degree outside of the school. Then if word goes around it is only in the realm of rumor.

This can’t hurt in the way of making you feel good, in a reputation (a good name), and in aiding even a few. Ecc. 7:1

These are just the thoughts that I have on the matter.
 
Instead of setting this up your self perhaps you could collect information on resources that are available in the community.

To my way of thinking, this is clearly the way to go.

I teach at a CC (used to teach composition, now ASL) and helping students is what we do. I know professors who've paid for students' braces. That's not typical, but stuff like that does happen.

In the case of the food bank, I would be afraid of perceived favoritism, or worse, what if someone became sick? I'm thinking like a dean, I know.

Why reinvent the wheel. I think students-in-need would not only appreciate referrals to appropriate resources, they would feel empowered by seeking them out and getting the assistance they need themselves on their own terms.

Having said all that, I see nothing wrong with ordering a couple of pizzas for a given class once in a while. . . .

You sound like a good person who has found where he belongs. Good for you.
 
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