Thanks to fellow member JUANes94 I was able to score the 2 creams made by Alkaloid Cosmetics of Macedonia...The Etsy seller is located in Serbia , shipping took 3 weeks. Both of these creams provide a good lather,and both have pleasant manly scents . Sadly , they cut costs on the all metal tube, it is unsealed , so don't put these away for the future. It would be very easy to hermetically seal these all metal tubes , they really missed the chance to have a first class tube.