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Does this guy know what he is talking about?

I bought a shave-ready vintage straight a while back from a very reputable vendor. When it arrived I noted that it looked like it had originally been a spike edge but that a previous owner had ground off the edges so as to make it more like a round-edge. Since I'm a n00b to straights that was fine by me - I like my earlobes attached. This is the razor
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Due to not knowing what the hell I was at with the stropping I made it very blunt very quickly and it needed a proper honing. I took it to a barber in the centre of town who sharpens straight-razors. This barbershop has been on that site since the 1950s and I'm reliably informed that the barber has been there for a good portion of that time (possible all of that time to look at him). I infer it was his fathers shop before it was his. Or maybe it was always his. He was busy when I called in so I left it with a more-junior member of the staff. I was talking with him today on the phone and he is not-so-keen on this razor and he says there is something wrong with it and he doesn't think its worth saving. I'm fairly certain he is talking about the corners being ground off it.

I should mention that the other barber started off with the wrong impression that I'd found this in an attic or something and told me that the senior would have a look and tell me what was what. I corrected him that this thing was shave-ready when it arrived and that it was only my bad stropping that had made it blunt. When it first arrived to me it was well-able to give me knicks and scratches. But after only twenty shaves (15 of which were with terrible stropping technique beforehand) it was so blunt that I was in little danger of accidentally cutting myself. I don't know if he passed that along to the senior guy so I suspect that the senior guy may be proceeding from the false premise that I don't know if this is worth shaving and also he thinks that I'm as green as grass.

As far as I know grinding the corners off the blade shouldn't make any difference to the leading-edge of the blade - does anybody know any differently?
My suspicion is that this guy knows how to shave and he knows how to sharpen a blade but doesn't know that much theory of blades and when he sees the altered blade he's thinking that it is damaged and that I should toss it.
 
Well, it's of my opinion that blade is fine. A bit of toe heavy wear due to previous honing but it could easily be made shave ready once more.
 
I don't see any thing wrong with it except that who ever had it before didn't know how to sharpen without wearing out the toe.
 
The razor is fine. It's no beauty queen, but performance should be just fine.




The assistant barber is not very well versed in starights it would seem.
 
Maybe the spine has too much wear to achieve a good primary bevel?

My guess is that if a reputable vendor says that the razor was shave ready, odds are the razor was shave ready and will be again if provided the right attention.

If you decide it's worth paying the postage to me and back, I don't mind sharpening it for you at all.
 
The blade should have a flat cutting edge so it has been turned into a big smaile but it is still shave-able but I don't know how tricky honing it may prove to be. A rolling X will definitely be needed.
 
Thanks very much fellas - I see what what you mean about it being turned into a smile. I think I'll push him on it - I'm only trying to see how I like straight-shaving. It could be that I'm not interested to keep on doing it. So I'm not-so-pushed about buying another razor to learn with.
 
If your learning and have nothing the best starter kit would be from Larry @ Whippeddog.com You get a guaranteed shave ready vintage straight razor and a beginners strop for about $40. Its hard to beat that deal. I don't reccomend buying straight razors from eBay until you know what you are really looking at. Today you see that ebay razor as a diamond but in 6months your eyes will see that same razor as cut glass.
 
If your learning and have nothing the best starter kit would be from Larry @ Whippeddog.com You get a guaranteed shave ready vintage straight razor and a beginners strop for about $40. Its hard to beat that deal. I don't reccomend buying straight razors from eBay until you know what you are really looking at. Today you see that ebay razor as a diamond but in 6months your eyes will see that same razor as cut glass.

Sound Advice from Scott here. I have been down that ebay road myself.
 

nortac

"Can't Raise an Eyebrow"
+1 on Whipped Dog, can't go wrong there. If your current strop is of questionable value, the Poormans strop is certainly serviceable, even after acquiring a better strop.
 
I didn't want to prejudice your opinions so I held back that the very reputable vendor in question is indeed the bauld Larry. I have the poormans stop kit and the problem was never the strop - the problem was my terrible terrible technique. I skimmed over that section of the instructions and it was only after re-reading that I was doing it all wrong. It was for all these reasons that I was having a hard time believing that the problem was the razor itself.
 

Slash McCoy

I freehand dog rockets
I don't see anything wrong with that razor. In fact, the main portion of the edge looks fairly straight, so truthfully, rolling x's are optional, depending on how much of your blade you want to be sharp. Me, I prefer to flat hone, on a blade like that one. Eventually, after 20 years or so of regular use and honing, the straight part of the edge will get longer as the edge wears away. I know, sounds like a long time, until you consider that there are guys here shaving daily with 150 year old razors.If you use a rolling x stroke, you are of course not straightening the edge. In fact, you are probably making the smile bigger. So it really has a lot to do with preference. some guys love their smileys and don't care for a straight edge. Really, there is no real benefit to a straight edge when shaving. It simply makes honing easier, so I am guessing that Larry probably used rolling x's and left the curved ends in shave ready condition for you.

BTW, the tapered nose and heel didn't get there with just one bad honing session. It takes many years of bad honing to do that. Larry just did what he could do with what he had to work with. Muting the tip doesn't make a big difference in overall blade geometry... it only rounds off a very tiny amount of steel. What you see is more than just muting the tip.

It is also possible that he DID round off the heel and nose, if there were dings in the edge. This is perfectly acceptable. Remember, many of these razors are near basket cases when he gets ahold of them, and I am sure he removes a lot of chips from a lot of edges.
 
the blade looks perfectly serviceable. i have had a fraternity 33 and they will take a great edge if they are ok, as this one seems to be. tom
 
I'm back in business finally. I picked it up yesterday but didn't have the time to shave with it last night. Right out of the gate this thing is waaaaaay better than it was. To celebrate this auspicious occasion I have given myself a tiny nick that won't stop seeping blood (even after the styptic)

When I called in yesterday the Bauld Liam was sitting and honing another razor. So I sat with him a while and he explained a few things. He got my razor and he honed it some more and he showed me where it was rounded at the ends and not in the good way. The "smile" that previous posters mentioned. We agreed that it seems likely that a previous owner did grind off the corners. However Liam says one of the corners he ground off doesn't improve the blade in any way (and may make it worse). Which is why he was so doubtful about the blade taking an edge. He reckoned whoever did it was good with tools but didn't know his razors all that well. However he said the razor had surprised him and that it had come up well in spite of that. However he did reckon that it had a fair bit of wear and that it wouldn't be easy to use all the way up to the tip of the razor. I explained that it was a learning-wheels razor for me. In the heel of the hunt he charged me half-price for all the to-ing and fro-ing which was fair-dacent of him I thought.
 
Have you tried touching it up with the CrOx balsa strip, Larry gives in the kit? After so many shaves, you have to do more than strop.
 
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