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Esox

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Your review, and the entire thread make the blade sound like it is worth trying. However, I'm not going to try it just yet because I have a bunch to try. Had I known of this blade I would have included it in my last Try a Blade order, and, should I order more samples, the SuperMax Blue Diamond will definitely be included.

Oh, tell me more about the Gillette SC. How aggressive is it? How does it compare to the Gillette LC? There are many conversations about which is milder, and why, and razor blade rigidity in the two, etc. All of which is rather fascinating, but confusing, and illustrates how poorly the science of double edge razor design is understood by most of us (particularly by one of us, me).

Happy shaves,

Jim


The subject of NEW SC vs LC can be controversial lol. I can only speak of myself and my own experiences.

Before I joined this forum my interest in DE shaving was awakened by my nephew who had just switched to a DE from a Mach 3. As I learned to shave with my fathers British Gillette Flare Tip Rocket in 1980 or 1981, and still had it, all I needed were some blades and when my nephew mentioned to me back in I think April of this year that he had started using a DE, I didnt even know the vast array of DE blades were available. At the same time, I knew I had an old razor, NIB condition, put away that my father picked up somewhere for $2 and I remember seeing my grandfathers old 3 piece razor around somewhere but I never did find it.

So, I bought a blade sample pack, a tub of Proraso soap and a brush and got to it. The Brit Rocket being a rigid design I was spoiled a bit I think because I started shaving with a very rigid design and didnt know anything about razor design and how it can affect the shave so I started reading and learning and I came across posts by rabidus on this forum and he was touting rigidity in relation to razor head design. I read all I could and I joined this forum so that I could see pictures he had posted to help me understand. When I finally got my head around it, I had as I told him, an epiphany.

As my technique and shaves improved my curiosity of other razors became apparent and I dug up the Gillette razor that was in its box still. As it turns out it was a gold plated Gillette NEW LC and I was torn about using it as it really was in like new condition. When I did shave with it, I found that I couldnt BBS two areas on my neck and seeing as I understood the differences in the design of the heads, especially the base plates, I discovered that I needed a more rigid design. Some may argue that, but I know what works for me and that may, or may not, work for others.

You can read about my discovery of this here: Gillette NEW LC Not Cutting It

That was a revelation to me and rabidus was kind enough to send me a NEW SC. The Gillette NEW SC is a completely different design from the LC. Its more like the Gillette OLD type in that it fully supports the entire blade, where the LC does not. See the comparison pictures below.

SC on the left, LC on the right.

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Now see how the cap fits over the base plate and how the SC supports the blade right to the edge where the LC does not.

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Now, if one doesnt shave ATG or doesnt have coarse and/or dense stubble, that amount of rigidity may not help with their shave. It does however, help me and some others, but as I said it can be a controversial subject.

To aggressiveness. Aggressive isnt really the right term for a NEW SC. Because its such a rigid design, its highly efficient and effective. The SC was also made to very exacting specifications as I understand it and rabidus has measured the blade gap across several samples and found them all to be the same .023" or .026", I cant remember which.

The LC by comparison he has also measured and found the blade gaps can vary by .015" or more. The LC I had was a very mild shaver. Think of it much the same as your AS-D2, but with an OC and without the rigidity of the AS-D2. I really liked that razor and it gave me an excellent BBS shave everywhere except those two areas on my neck, even when I added a shim. If it doesnt work for me, I'm not going to use it so I sent it to my nephew with my fathers Rocket and a British Tech because he was having issues with his EJ/Merkur type clone and couldnt shave ATG at all.

As it turned out, he also had issues ATG with the LC and now he doesnt use it, but he has no issues at all with his grandfathers Brit Rocket and has now also picked up a Single Ring OLD type which he really enjoys along with, I believe, a 1936 Gillette Sheraton.

The NEW SC has been called "an OLD type with blade gap" as the SC has the .023" or .026" gap, and the OLD type has essentially none. Both however, offer the same amount of rigidity by supporting the entire blade with the base plate.

The Feather AS-D2 is one of the very few modern razors that offer this type of rigidity. Timeless and Wolfman being two other examples along with Fatip. I just ordered a gold Fatip Grande last night and I'm anxiously awaiting its arrival.

Timeless on the left, Wolfman WR1 on the right, in comparison to the EJ/Merkur type heads. The blade support is easily seen.

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I believe there is much to be learned by many of razor design and rigidity and once the concept was understood, it was easy for me to grasp that a rigid edge, no matter if the blade in question is a table saw blade or a razor blade, will cut more effectively and efficiently than a less rigid edge.

Its a further belief of mine that many people that do have issues shaving ATG, that a more rigid design may help them.

In the end I dont believe that any one razor is "the best". I do however believe that not all razors are created equally and that some are better than others. The only person that can decide that however, is the person using the razor.
 

Esox

I didnt know
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I might also mention if you're not aware, that you can search a members posts via their profile. In mine you'll find several blade reviews with more coming as I have several types of blades that I havent put reviews up for yet.

A search of the word "rigid" will also yield many results from myself and rabidus.
 

Chan Eil Whiskers

Fumbling about.
You can read about my discovery of this here: Gillette NEW LC Not Cutting It

I read that entire thread yesterday, but didn't pay any attention to who wrote what, and didn't notice you started the thread.

Still, I very much appreciate your post here about LC and SC, etc. It is remarkably instructive.

I've been using blades my entire life, going back to childhood when I was taught by my grandfather to use his woodworking power tools. It seems obvious to me that a blade should be rigidly held in place assuming the user desires the blade to cut only within a narrow range.

A blade not rigidly held in position will vibrate, wiggle, assume a wave form, etc. far more than a more rigidly controlled blade. Simple physics.

Shavers want the blade to cut within an extremely narrow range - very close to the bottom of the whisker, but just far enough away from the top of the skin - so a blade not rigidly secured is unlikely to do the job very well at all, at least not all the time.

I need to better attend to who is writing the stuff I read.

Thanks for a great post.

Happy shaves,

Jim
 

Esox

I didnt know
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You're welcome. Its always nice to hear the typing is doing some good haha.

Rigid blade edges I think even more important given the fact that blades of today are only .004" thick. Had blades still been the .006" thick as they were when the NEW LC was new, I suspect I may not have had the issue I did.

Who would have thought shaving was a subject with such depth? lol
 

Chan Eil Whiskers

Fumbling about.
Sure is easy buying vintage razors. That is to say I just bought two more. One is a SC. The other is a LC.

I've bought more razors and spent more money on them and their hardware and software since I started saving money by shaving with a double edge razor than I bought in the last ten years of buying a new cartridge Gillette whenever I felt like the one I had wasn't as pretty as the one in the store.

I might slow it down some. After all, I don't even plan to shave with these acquisitions for a good while.

The razors I've purchased do all look pretty nice. At least one of them looks amazing. Going by sellers photographs, of course, as none are in hand. I made an effort to avoid damaged or very worn offerings even though I know cosmetics have very little to do with function.

You do know that there are people selling the vintage blades? I have zero idea how the hold up over the years; they might be as bad as corrosive 1930s 8 mm ammo for my Russian capture German Mauser. Shoots, but isn't accurate.

Gotta save some money for guns and ammo. Oh, and groceries, etc. Not that I'm ready to take the pledge just yet. Just saying.

Happy shaves,

Jim
 

Esox

I didnt know
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One of each is a good decision. Both are excellent razors and shave differently. NEW SC razors have been a bit hard to find on ebay for a while. There were maybe 20 LC's for each SC and the last I looked a search on there only came up with three. Gillette didnt make nearly as many of them as they did the LC.

Swapping handles can also affect the personality of any given razor as well. For example, I prefer my Tech with the slimmer lighter ball end handle with a Feather blade, but I like the thicker handle from my NEW SC with other blades.

Vintage blades is another hobby of its own. I've only ever tried one vintage blade, a PAL blade made in Canada in the 1950's I believe. No rush to revisit it...

I stopped buying guns years ago. Maybe I can use that for an excuse for ordering the Fatip last night? hahaha

There are a couple more I'd like to own. A nice Single Ring because I'll likely never find a Double Ring for a price I consider "good" and a 1934 Gillette Aristocrat. Theres something about an OC TTO that I really like.

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Esox

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Approximately C $334.18

Whew, I'll say...

Gillette OLD types started as Double Rings then progressed to Single Rings, but I'm not sure the date. Its a shame we dont have the regular resident OLD type expert here anymore...

This websites owner is a member of this forum and there is a fantastic amount of information on it:
mr-razor Old Type

mr-razor
 

Chan Eil Whiskers

Fumbling about.
Lots of the old razors on ebay are, according to me, way overpriced.

I'm sure some are truly valuable collectors items in mint condition, etc. Some are just sellers giving it a shot, knowing we are out there looking, knowing we are eager to find what we want, knowing people on this forum are competing against one another to satisfy a RAD.

Maybe it's not the place to find deals?

Happy shaves,

Jim
 

Chan Eil Whiskers

Fumbling about.
I was going to say today's shave was the closest yet, but I can't.

Applying my moisturizer I found a little area of imperfection next to my upper lip that I must have missed on my ATG pass. Otherwise, my shave was close and smooth. The little area isn't bad, but it's not BBS.

I did four passes on my neck - WTG, XTG, XTG in the other direction, ATG - plus some touch ups on areas apparently resistant to shaving.

My neck has little areas which are like Switzerland. Heavy armed. Independent. Can't decide what language to speak.

What, your beard doesn't talk?

It was a good shave.

PolSilver SI (2nd day), MWF, Semoque SOC boar, alum block, witch hazel, Cremo moisturizer, Clubman Pinaud.

Feather AS-D2 is my only razor. Yes, I've bought more, but they aren't here yet, and I won't use them for a while anyhow. Gotta master shaving with the Feather.

Cold water, of course.

Not a perfect shave. Still not getting zero burn with the alum block; maybe that's just a dream, but I'll work towards that level of mastery.

Happy shaves,

Jim
 

Chan Eil Whiskers

Fumbling about.
Oops, there's a little area on my neck where it looks unlike skin. I must have overdone something. I believe I used shaving cream before the razor touched my skin, every time, every touch.

Too much pressure? Any pressure is too much!

Tomorrow is a new shave - assuming Irma doesn't get me - and a new day. There's a lot more to learn, and plenty of time to practice and develop better skills.

Tomorrow I'll use a new blade, too. Maybe another trial with a Russian Gillette 7 O'Clock SS Green? Not sure right now.

Happy shaves,

Jim
 

Esox

I didnt know
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Lots of the old razors on ebay are, according to me, way overpriced.

I'm sure some are truly valuable collectors items in mint condition, etc. Some are just sellers giving it a shot, knowing we are out there looking, knowing we are eager to find what we want, knowing people on this forum are competing against one another to satisfy a RAD.

Maybe it's not the place to find deals?

Happy shaves,

Jim

There are some deals on there but they can be hard to find, and less of them all the time.

I hope everyone is making it through the storm ok. We may even see some of it in Canada eventually. The last hurricane I remember here was Hugo. The was the only time the sky looked like a very bad bruise. Black, yellow and green all at the same time and it spawned a tornado.
 

Chan Eil Whiskers

Fumbling about.
My cable is out (Irma). It is supposed to get worse this afternoon. I hope everyone is safe.

Happy shaves,

Jim

Back online now. We are still having the storm, but it seems to be a lot less now. There was certainly some storm damage in this area, but it wasn't, as far as I can tell, anywhere near the terrible damage we had locally with an ice storm a few years ago.

My prayers are with all those who've suffered damages from the hurricane. This city is filled with refugees from Florida and elsewhere.

I just ordered a few blades - on ebay, from a seller in India, isn't that amazing ordering razor blades from half way around the world - 5 Perma Sharps and 10 Super-Max Blue Diamond Titanium. A good price + free shipping. I believe that these blades will complete the collection of blades I want to try out.

I hope this storm's impact really is leaving our area, and slowing down everywhere.

Happy shaves,

Jim
 

Chan Eil Whiskers

Fumbling about.
I'll hazard a guess that you'll like both :)

That's my guess, too. The blades are well reviewed. Also, I plan to like every blade about which I've heard consistently good things. Since YMMV that includes many blades. My focus is particularly on those blades experienced shavers on B&B rave about.

It would help if everyone who talks about how good or bad a blade is would mention which razor they've used with the blade. At least I think that would help, but maybe I'm too new at this to know.

Today's shave was excellent. Smooth. Comfortable. It seems close, but I'll know more about that tonight and tomorrow morning. No, it wasn't yet the perfect shave, but excellent fits it fine.

Today's new blade was my first trial of a Gillette Silver Blue. I noticed that I could feel the blade more than some blades, but this seemed like a positive to me. The blade seemed sharp, but not aggressively so. It did not feel like it was eating my skin.

I liked the GSB. It will make the cut for more trials.

My razor was my trusty Feather AS-D2.

Today's brush was the RazoRock Monster synthetic. It gets the job done! Plus, it feels good on my skin.

I used Mitchell's Wool Fat. I'm getting very good at lathering the fat. I put two or three tablespoons of water on the puck prior to my shower. After the shower I pour that water into my shaving bowl and begin to lather, having shaken most of the water out of the brush.

My bowl - I think this is a secret worth knowing - is very large. I noticed several people whisking up serious lather porn on YouTube were using very large bowls, so I gave it a try. My bowl is maybe eight inches in diameter and maybe three inches deep; I'm guessing here, but it's a large bowl. Just an ordinary kitchen bowl made of enameled cheap metal. Slick on the inside. Nothing special expect it's big.

As I lather I add a few drops to a teaspoon of water as it occurs to me the lather isn't growing in volume. Every time I add water and whisk some more the volume increases. I'm not shooting for lather porn, but I want to have lots of lather, enough for five to seven passes.

After shaving I do not rinse or wash the bowl. I leave leftover lather in the bowl to dry out and help out tomorrow. Why waste the soap?

Currently I'm using distilled water for the lather, and to soak my brush, but my not too hard tap water seems to work just as well.

I did three passes on my face, and four or five on my neck.

Everything was cold water shaving, of course.

Today I skipped the alum block, and went straight to Dickinson's witch hazel. Then, Cremo moisturizer.

I've not decided yet on an aftershave splash.

My skin feels good. My face and neck are rather smooth.

There is evidence that my neck shaving hasn't yet reached the standard professional barbers of my youth established for me, but I think it's a mapping issue.

I'm getting there. I like the GSB.

Happy shaves,

Jim
 
That's my guess, too. The blades are well reviewed. Also, I plan to like every blade about which I've heard consistently good things. Since YMMV that includes many blades. My focus is particularly on those blades experienced shavers on B&B rave about.

It would help if everyone who talks about how good or bad a blade is would mention which razor they've used with the blade. At least I think that would help, but maybe I'm too new at this to know.

Today's shave was excellent. Smooth. Comfortable. It seems close, but I'll know more about that tonight and tomorrow morning. No, it wasn't yet the perfect shave, but excellent fits it fine.

Today's new blade was my first trial of a Gillette Silver Blue. I noticed that I could feel the blade more than some blades, but this seemed like a positive to me. The blade seemed sharp, but not aggressively so. It did not feel like it was eating my skin.

I liked the GSB. It will make the cut for more trials.

My razor was my trusty Feather AS-D2.

Today's brush was the RazoRock Monster synthetic. It gets the job done! Plus, it feels good on my skin.

I used Mitchell's Wool Fat. I'm getting very good at lathering the fat. I put two or three tablespoons of water on the puck prior to my shower. After the shower I pour that water into my shaving bowl and begin to lather, having shaken most of the water out of the brush.

My bowl - I think this is a secret worth knowing - is very large. I noticed several people whisking up serious lather porn on YouTube were using very large bowls, so I gave it a try. My bowl is maybe eight inches in diameter and maybe three inches deep; I'm guessing here, but it's a large bowl. Just an ordinary kitchen bowl made of enameled cheap metal. Slick on the inside. Nothing special expect it's big.

As I lather I add a few drops to a teaspoon of water as it occurs to me the lather isn't growing in volume. Every time I add water and whisk some more the volume increases. I'm not shooting for lather porn, but I want to have lots of lather, enough for five to seven passes.

After shaving I do not rinse or wash the bowl. I leave leftover lather in the bowl to dry out and help out tomorrow. Why waste the soap?

Currently I'm using distilled water for the lather, and to soak my brush, but my not too hard tap water seems to work just as well.

I did three passes on my face, and four or five on my neck.

Everything was cold water shaving, of course.

Today I skipped the alum block, and went straight to Dickinson's witch hazel. Then, Cremo moisturizer.

I've not decided yet on an aftershave splash.

My skin feels good. My face and neck are rather smooth.

There is evidence that my neck shaving hasn't yet reached the standard professional barbers of my youth established for me, but I think it's a mapping issue.

I'm getting there. I like the GSB.

Happy shaves,

Jim
That's an astute observation!
 

Chan Eil Whiskers

Fumbling about.
This morning's shave is holding up well so far. Some shaves seem great, but start feeling rough by this time in mid afternoon.

I like the GSB blade.
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Yeah, I know. I've not even opened it yet, so I have no idea.

This and another aftershave arrived today, and a couple more are on the way. I'm only ordering very inexpensive splashes. I'll have a small collection, but enough variety, and not much invested (excluding my old Royall Bay Rhum and Lyme, but these I've had for many years).

The delivery service also brought me a puck of D.R. Harris Arlington shaving soap with the nice wooden bowl. I'm awaiting - in the soap department - only Tabac. As I've mentioned, I'm in no hurry to use any of these new soaps - being very content with MWF + Proraso Green - but I'll get around to them once I believe I no longer need to control the variables learning to shave.

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My beautiful new Semogue Excelsior 830 Shaving Brush arrived today from Portugal. It looks far better in person. Very impressive appearance, and a nice size. Smaller than some of my brushes, but not too small, I think. I'll begin the break in process tonight, and use it once it's half way broken in, or more than half. It does seem pretty soft right now, and could probably be used immediately, but I prefer to work with boars before I put them to my face and neck.

We had some damage around here at the hands of Irma, but not too very much (tell that to the people with trees on the car or house). Most people without power seem to be getting it back today. We lost, at my house, only cable for a few hours, and a great many small branches and leaves; no big deal.

Happy shaves,

Jim
 

Esox

I didnt know
Staff member
It would help if everyone who talks about how good or bad a blade is would mention which razor they've used with the blade. At least I think that would help, but maybe I'm too new at this to know.

I agree with you on that point. My DE razors, all vintage Gillettes until my Fatip arrives, all prefer a certain level of sharpness. As a rule, the milder the razor, the sharper or more aggressive the blade I use in it. I think of my Tech as being the mildest much like your AS-D2 and I prefer using Feather blades in it, but even in it they can be a bit harsh and my lather needs to be on target for the best shave. The Gillette Yellow or a Kai may be the better blade in that razor but I havent tried one in it yet. I have 200 Feather blades and only 4 Gillette Yellows left and a single Kai blade haha.

My D2 SS is nearly as mild but I dont really like a Feather blade in it. I have a Gillette Yellow in it with 9 shaves on it now and it works great. I have a Lady Gillette thats similar to both the Tech and the SS in that I prefer the sharper blades with it, but I rarely use it.

My NEW SC is nice with a Feather blade but "the planer effect" really comes into play. It will quickly, easily and efficiently plane off any high spots if I'm not careful with it. Much the same as a Gillette Yellow in it planed off my skin at the base of each hair on my neck leaving me with red spots all over, but no blood or pain. After that first shave with the Yellow in my NEW SC, I moved it to my SS and its been there since.

My Gillette Regent Tech is much the same. With a Feather blade it's given me a 23 hour BBS shave. Very close, but not as comfortable as I like. It has a Perma-Sharp Super in it right now and that blade has given me 5 very nice shaves so far. Smooth and comfortable with the BBS finish lasting around the 10 hour mark. I'm coming to really like this blade. Its a blade that balances sharpness and smoothness very well.

All razors have different geometry to their designs and all will behave differently for everyone, but it is nice knowing which blade someone prefers in which razor and why.

I agree with using a larger bowl as well. Mine is 6" across and 2 1/2" deep. I think the larger bowl lets me work the lather easier and quicker with more control over the viscosity of it. Getting the lather just right is critical to having the best shaves.
 
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