I've just purchased what was advertised as an early 1905 Canadian Single ring. From what I've read so far it is probably authentic, although Canadian dating information is a bit spotty. It was eBay item # 350834705634. The seller said the serial number is C 72999. Could one of you gentlemen help me ascertain what year it was made? Please take a look at this closed auction and help me out. Any input is appreciated. Thanks.
Canadian 1905 Single Ring
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If you were to follow the American dating system, C72999 would be from 1911. I do not know when Canadian razors were introduced, but it looks great and should be a fantastic razor.
This is from Canadian wiki: http://wiki.badgerandblade.com/Gillette_Canada_Dating_Information
The serial numbers for known Canadian razors are somewhat spotty and even contradictory. It appears that they sometimes used numbers alone and sometimes used "C" or "PC" as prefixes. While this data does not yet allow us to place a given razor in a given production year, we hope that one day it will. To this end we try to classify each razor as closely as possible.
The serial numbers for known Canadian razors are somewhat spotty and even contradictory. It appears that they sometimes used numbers alone and sometimes used "C" or "PC" as prefixes. While this data does not yet allow us to place a given razor in a given production year, we hope that one day it will. To this end we try to classify each razor as closely as possible.
I would put yours in between C 10286 and C 85196....when you receive it let me know and i will put it in Wiki .
| C 10286 | 10286 | Single Ring | standard | - | bullet | - | no | Number on barrel. |
| PC 26891 | 26891 | - | - | - | - | - | Pocket edition with gold plate, plain case, and nut-end handle. http://badgerandblade.com/vb/showthr...61#post4198261 | |
| PC 34717 | 34717 | - | - | - | - | - | Pocket edition with gold plate, plain case, and nut-end handle. Diamond logo on blade case but not on razor case - so late 1908? http://badgerandblade.com/vb/showthr...d-Safety-Razor | |
| PC 40602 | 40602 | - | - | - | - | - | Pocket edition with gold plate, plain case, and nut-end handle. Diamond logo on blade case. Razor case has 1907 Russia patent, no clear image of logo area. http://badgerandblade.com/vb/showthr...09#post2080309 | |
| PC 42298 | 42298 | true ball | punched-down | ABC | ??? | no | Gold "true ball-end" handle, no stamping on bottom of guard plate, ABC-style cap studs, punched-down collar, four-rivet shell case w/ patent dates on bottom, match-strike blade case. | |
| PC 63959 | 63959 | - | - | - | - | - | Thin-handled ball end, no stamping on bottom of guard plate, ABC-style cap studs, punched-down collar, four-rivet plain case w/ patent numbers on bottom, Gillette diamond logo missing [Porter]. | |
| PC 6x135 | 6x135 | - | - | - | - | - | Pocket edition with some missing knurling, case but no mention of logo. http://badgerandblade.com/vb/showthr...s-a-funky-head | |
| PC 74562 | 74562 | - | - | - | - | - | Another pocket edition with some missing knurling. Case has rectangle where pasted-on diamond logo once was. | |
| PC 7x010 | 7x010 | - | punched-down | bullet | patch | no | Thin-handled ball end, no stamping on bottom of guard plate, bullet-style cap studs, punched-down collar, four-rivet plain case w/ patent numbers on bottom, Gillette diamond label missing, match-strike blade case | |
| C 85196 | 85196 | Single Ring | standard | - | bullet | full | yes | Single ring, possibly in a slightly later Standard Set case? Number on inner barrel. http://badgerandblade.com/vb/showthr...n-Standard-Set Also: http://badgerandblade.com/vb/showthr...an-Single-Ring |
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Thanks Alex!!!
And here's the link to the thread. http://badgerandblade.com/vb/showthread.php/305787-Gillette-Canada-serial-numbers
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Thank you Coolbus, that input is appreciated!
The "1905" date that the seller referred to likely came from the Canadian patent date inscription. Gillette didn't have a factory in Canada that early, but I'm fairly sure off the top of my head that the patent was granted in Canada in 1905.
I'm on my phone somewhere outside Schenectady at the moment heading for New Hampshire tonight, otherwise I could give you a bit more. I'll check back in with this thread again at some point on my vacation to see how things are going. One thing that would be good to know would be whether the serial number is on the guard plate or the inner barrel. From the photo it looks like it's on the barrel.
I'm on my phone somewhere outside Schenectady at the moment heading for New Hampshire tonight, otherwise I could give you a bit more. I'll check back in with this thread again at some point on my vacation to see how things are going. One thing that would be good to know would be whether the serial number is on the guard plate or the inner barrel. From the photo it looks like it's on the barrel.
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10-4 MacDaddy, the serial # is on the barrel according to the seller. I've looked at the Gillette Company History geek out thread and did a thread search on Canadian Gillette date codes/serial numbers too. I also scoured the photos of the razor and it looks like there is a patent statement on the outer shaft at the bottom band also. The patent information looks like it is longer than just a date, such as Patent appl. for, but that remains to be seen. The seller probably won't ship it till Monday, then it has a long way to go to get to Omaha. I will be impatiently awaiting its arrival. At any rate I believe , after my researching canadian date codes, it was probably made between 1907 and 1909. I have not seen the bottom of the guard, so I don't know if it has any other identifying marks. I'll keep everyone posted.
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It shipped today! Yeah Buddy!!!
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Hello all, well my Single Ring arrived today. I cleaned it up and here is a link to the photo of the serial number.
http://pbckt.com/p3.Ow2c4T
There are no other distinguishing marks on it except on the lower band it says, Canada Pat Mar7 05. There is no Gillette logo on it. The guide pins are narrow and come to a sharp point.
http://pbckt.com/p3.Ow2YAv
The second photo is the razor after cleaning. So now I'm off to have my afternoon shave and shower. Alex, could you honor me by entering this razor into the WIKI please? Thanks for all the input everyone.
http://pbckt.com/p3.Ow2c4T
There are no other distinguishing marks on it except on the lower band it says, Canada Pat Mar7 05. There is no Gillette logo on it. The guide pins are narrow and come to a sharp point.
http://pbckt.com/p3.Ow2YAv
The second photo is the razor after cleaning. So now I'm off to have my afternoon shave and shower. Alex, could you honor me by entering this razor into the WIKI please? Thanks for all the input everyone.
Updated the Wiki: [ Thank you Mod/Luc for the help]
The serial numbers for known Canadian razors are somewhat spotty and even contradictory. It appears that they sometimes used numbers alone and sometimes used "C" or "PC" as prefixes. While this data does not yet allow us to place a given razor in a given production year, we hope that one day it will. To this end we try to classify each razor as closely as possible.
Old Type Serial Numbers
The Montreal plant began low-volume production ca. 1906-04-??, increasing through 1907. Early orders included Pocket Edition sets, some of which are still extant. During WWI most or all of the razors produced for European sale were made in Canada.The serial numbers for known Canadian razors are somewhat spotty and even contradictory. It appears that they sometimes used numbers alone and sometimes used "C" or "PC" as prefixes. While this data does not yet allow us to place a given razor in a given production year, we hope that one day it will. To this end we try to classify each razor as closely as possible.
| Full Serial Number | Number Only | Model | Knurling | Collar | Studs | Logo | MiC Stamp | Image / Notes |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| PC 5646 | 5646 | none | - | ABC | no | no | This could be ca. June 1909, because at that time Gillette Canada was filling its first large pocket edition orders and was having trouble producing patterned parts (cf Peterson, Neil P. Gillette Blade Canadian Edition, July 1918, p31). But it might also be earlier. Perhaps the Canadian serial numbers started in 1908, when the factory moved to St. Alexander Street?
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| PC 06227 | 6227 | - | punched-down | ABC | patch | no | Thin-handled ball end, no stamping on bottom of guard plate, ABC-style cap studs, punched-down collar, latch-closure basketweave case w/ patent dates on bottom, gold Gillette diamond label [Porter]. | |
| PC 07509 | 7509 | smooth ball | - | - | - | - | Pocket edition with smooth ball and asymmetrical studs; basket-weave case with signature logo on underside and 1907 Russian patent: http://badgerandblade.com/vb/showthr...ette-Open-Comb | |
| C 10286 | 10286 | Single Ring | standard | - | bullet | - | no | Number on barrel. |
| C 72999 | 72999 | Single Ring | Standard | bullet | no | Lower band: Canada Pat Mar7 05. There is no Gillette logo on it. The guide pins are narrow and come to a sharp point. http://badgerandblade.com/vb/showthr...95#post5315595
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