Big Papi Was a Big Juicer
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It could be that it's coming off as a bit provocative.
Here's the deal. There are going to be more guys on both of those teams added to the list of added juicers. That's why being fanatical about stuff like this is dangerous. I know a lot of big leaguers and one of the main reasons that I got out of the game was that I didn't want to compete for those few jobs with guys that were juicing because I wasn't going to do it.
So both Manny and Ortiz are on the 2003 list of players who tested positive for PEDs. I guess we won't be hearing any more A-Roid chants in Fenway Park.It isn't news to most of you but to a Yankees fan, the Boston Roid Sox has a nice ring to it.
Well, this report just came out from the NYTimes... wonder of wonders, Manny is not our problem anymore but with Ortiz he is innocent til proven guilty, like A ROiD and ROiDCKET Clemens
Well, this report just came out from the NYTimes... wonder of wonders, Manny is not our problem anymore but with Ortiz he is innocent til proven guilty, like A ROiD and ROiDCKET Clemens
I don't think that the Sox Nation should be so self-righteous...
Steroid Training
I may or may not have shared this here, but I got a very similar training session with our strength and conditioning coach when I was in the Blue Jays organization. It was much more casual (private conversations with several guys instead of a formal meeting).
Really? You were with the Blue Jays organization once upon a time? That's cool.
Yep. I made the decision to quit when I knew I wasn't going to roid it up, and my daughter was born in the off-season so I just stayed home with the family instead of reporting to Spring Training
Probably so.So both Manny and Ortiz are on the 2003 list of players who tested positive for PEDs. I guess we won't be hearing any more A-Roid chants in Fenway Park.
The thing is, whether ARod, Sosa, Manny, Ortiz, or Bonds, and pretty much everyone else, PEDs don't do anything regarding PE.
Yep. I made the decision to quit when I knew I wasn't going to roid it up, and my daughter was born in the off-season so I just stayed home with the family instead of reporting to Spring Training
I can't blame you for doing that. That stuff will mess you up. Still I'm curious, did you actually make it up the Big Leagues at all?
Paul,
Red Sox nation self righteous? I don't think so. Maybe MLB that taken so long to acknowledge and deal with the steroid issue one way or another.
Merloni was a replacement player and barred from MLB as you know and dabbles in the news perhaps sometimes inventing them
They all cheat. Move on and make sure your kids look to you as their hero, not to these over inflated cheaters.
No, but I'm friends with several guys that did/still play
Ok. You show yourself to be totally lacking in objectivity. Red Sox fans have been totally self-righteous throughout this whole thing. MLB should have done more. It was commonly discussed that guys couldn't wait to get on the 40 man roster because then they could do whatever they wanted without worrying about getting caught. However, that doesn't excuse the behavior of fans accepting their guy's indiscretions while crucifying players on other teams for theirs.
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What's so funny?
That is, other than the self-righteous sportswriter-led PED witch hunt.
You can hit, or you can't. HGH, Roids, "PEDs" don't help you put bat on ball better, or even send it further.
There's about fifteen reasons for the superficial spike in offensive numbers the past ten years, and whichever vilified PED of the day is about sixteenth.
Why did Jose Canseco hit fewer homeruns while juicing? Mark McGwire hit 49 homers as a rail thin rookie in 1987? Why does no one ever focuses on the bums who end up on these hundred player using lists.
Hank Aaron's greatest five year home run output began when he was 35 years old. Look it up. Was he using?
The irony is, the one player whose performance in pursuit of a record was most externally enhanced the past forty years was Hank Aaron.
What's funny is that is an utterly absurd statement that I was hoping was a joke. I'm not going to rehash all of the data, but both anecdotally and scientifically there is zero support for that. I'll let some of the guys that have the energy to provide all of the references and data. It isn't worth my time. But for the record, I played and lived it, and I work in the medical field which is filled with physicians that love to opine on such matters. I've never heard any of them share your opinion.
Cheers
Of course, you are totally right. I'm grateful my kids are grown up and doing well. It is Barber shop banter, better to discuss baseball than politics IMO
Below is a review of Greener Grass : Cuba, Baseball and the United States.
Many of us who were born there brought our passion for beisbol here
Review Summary
While baseball is loved in America, the sport is revered in Cuba. Packed stadiums play host to fierce competition and a skill level that rivals the best American team. Greener Grass: Cuba, Baseball and the United States documents the historic 1999 swap when the Baltimore Orioles visited Havana and the Cuban national team came to the United States. The trade-off was reminiscent of pre-revolutionary times when Cubans populated American diamonds and the island served as a summer camp for professionals. Baseball has a long history in Cuba, with versions of the game being played since the 1800s. As the sport reached a popular peak in the 1950s, players like Rudolfo Fernandez earned their own American baseball cards. Famed manager Tommy Lasorda similarly remembers fanatic crowds as a member of the Cuban Professional League. The sport also serves as a filter for political and social differences as racial identity, democracy, and music become important issues separating the two countries. The one-hour program features interviews with Cuban exiles such as Orlando "El Duque" Hernandez who now plays for the New York Yankees. The program shows that when it comes to baseball, America and Cuba are more similar than different; passion and pride are heavy hitters on both sides of the water. ~ Sarah Ing, All Movie Guide
As I go over these posts is good to know the passion for the National pastime is still running high. The sad part is that steroids are becoming part of it.
As for cheating it always been part of playing games, not that I condone it, just always comes up.
As for cheating it always been part of playing games, not that I condone it, just always comes up.
How can you be cheating if you're using something that isn't banned, which was the case before 2003; or ultimately doesn't make a difference?
BTW, what does getting screened in 2003 have to do with what you're able to later do in 2004?
When it gets really funny is when these constipated politicians, who gerrymander their districts, rig campaign finance laws, horde their war chests, make sweetheart back-room deals, accept gifts and junkets while run blocking for lobbyists, and make policy targeting favored constituencies, all to enhance their own stature, sit there on their grandstanding bully pulpits and condemn subpoenaed dumb jocks for "cheating".
