Some years back I bought a swatty barbers hone from a guy in Alaska and set it aside. I dug it out today and lapped it. I read somebody's comment that they though barber hone grits were 8k at best. This one seems finer than my Norton 8k by a little bit. Tried stroking a razor on it and seemed to work fine. I thought small handheld would not work for me but this one seemed good. With a full set of stones in the work shop, I don't see much call for the swatty. Guess it will get set aside and pulled out again in a few years.