Anyone else anti-tallow?
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I would like to mention that I have very soft water, might be more tallow soap friendly. I can easily lather up Williams, MWF, you name it. Even though I have no problems lathering up Williams, I don't use it any more. Even though it is pretty slick and protective, I find it to be a bit sticky or gummy if you will. It also requires more work to rinse the razor, bowl and brush after I use it. Not worth it for me I'm afraid.
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Post shave feel. That's something a lot of guys take into account when favoring one over the other. I pretty much have the same post shave feel from all types of soaps. Must be my oily skin.
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I'm sure that has an impact. I have dry skin.
When I first started wet-shaving, I bought tallow soaps and thought they were superior to vegan soaps. Now I have 3 vegan soaps (MdC, Catie's Bubbles, and Henri et Victoria) and they have proven to be fine soaps. Now I don't worry about checking to see if a soap is tallow based. I simply purchase a use what I'm interested in.
That’s probably me too. I use witch hazel and rub some on my nose, because at my age it’s still oily. My face will dry out and itch, if I don’t use balm and there isn’t any soap or cream that can stop that.
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That's quite a claim to make and leave without any supporting information. Honestly, it sounds like a joke but given the limitations of the written language I'm not sure.
Stearic acid is the compound used to replicate tallow in modern soaps (including all those you named). It's most often derived from animal fat... aka Tallow. So you're not using tallow-free... just more processed tallow.
Stearic acid can also be derived from plants. The animal origin is probably much more common and cheaper, but that doesn't rule out the possibility of true vegan soaps with stearic acid in them.
Wikipedia:
Stearic acid is obtained from fats and oils by the saponification of the triglycerides using hot water (about 100 °C). The resulting mixture is then distilled. Commercial stearic acid is often a mixture of stearic and palmitic acids, although purified stearic acid is available.
Fats and oils rich in stearic acid are more abundant in animal fat (up to 30%) than in vegetable fat (typically <5%). The important exceptions are the foods cocoa butter and shea butter, where the stearic acid content (as a triglyceride) is 28–45%.
Stearic acid is obtained from fats and oils by the saponification of the triglycerides using hot water (about 100 °C). The resulting mixture is then distilled. Commercial stearic acid is often a mixture of stearic and palmitic acids, although purified stearic acid is available.
Fats and oils rich in stearic acid are more abundant in animal fat (up to 30%) than in vegetable fat (typically <5%). The important exceptions are the foods cocoa butter and shea butter, where the stearic acid content (as a triglyceride) is 28–45%.
Yes. You can buy plant derived stearic acid. It's more expensive and likely exclusive to products advertising that they are 100% vegan derived.
110% agree.
Provence Sante Green Tea, Sudsy Soapery and Dr Jon's are some of my favorites.
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I prefer tallow soaps.
Not really pro or anti, but it just so happens that the soaps that worked better for my skin are tallow based. Some exceptions would be the Janus vegan from GD, non-tallow from Sudsy Soapery and Saponificio Varesino soaps.
It is known.
The fatty acid structure of tallow has the highest amount of fatty acid being Oleic Acid at about 43-47%! Palmitic Acid is around 25-26% and Stearic Acid is only about 14-18% which is quite a small percentage with the rest being a few others in much smaller percentages. It is the combination of all of these fatty acids together which gives tallow the qualities which work well for some in shaving products. It is also known for its odor. I remember smelling soaps in the early 1960's that had nice fragrances but a very stinky undertone that I did not like and the labels said that they included tallow.
Personally, I don't eat beef and don't feel the need to kill a cow to be able to wash,bathe or eat. There are ways to create soap-based products that have these qualities using vegetable (or even sustainable vegetable) fatty acids and they can perform well without going down the tallow path.
Personally, I don't eat beef and don't feel the need to kill a cow to be able to wash,bathe or eat. There are ways to create soap-based products that have these qualities using vegetable (or even sustainable vegetable) fatty acids and they can perform well without going down the tallow path.
Even better than those you mentioned (except Pre De Provence, which I have not used):
Baume.Be cream
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