GOOD !!! Big waste of money anyway!
Am I wrong for wanting one of these?
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You're right. The $250 billion spent so far in finding him was money well spent, but a trial which would hold him accountable for his thousands of murders would have been a waste. Have a read of this:
America resembles the land of the munchkins, as it celebrates the death of the Wicked Witch of the East. The joy is understandable, but in some respects, unattractive. It endorses what looks increasingly like a cold-blooded assassination ordered by a president who, as a former law professor, knows the absurdity of his statement that “justice was done”. Amoral diplomats and triumphant politicians join in applauding Bin Laden’s summary execution because they claim real justice – arrest, trial and sentence would have been too difficult in the case of Bin Laden. But in the long-term interests of a better world, should it not at least have been attempted?
That future depends on a respect for international law. The circumstances of Bin Laden’s killing are as yet unclear and the initial objection that the operation was an illegitimate invasion of Pakistan’s sovereignty must be rejected. Necessity required the capture of this indicted and active international criminal and Pakistan’s abject failure (whether through incompetence or connivance) justified Obama’s order for an operation to apprehend him. However, the terms of that order, as yet undisclosed, are all important. Bill Clinton admitted recently to having secretly approved teh assassination of Bin Laden by the CIA after the US embassy bombings in the1990s, while President Bush publicly said after 9/11 that he wanted Bin Laden’s head on a plate. Did President Obama order his capture, or his execution?
Details of the so-called “fire-fight” remain obscure. The law permits criminals to be shot in self-defence. They should, if possible, be given the opportunity to surrender, but even if they do not come out with their hands up, they must be taken alive, if that can be achieved without risk. Exactly how Bin Laden came to be shot (especially if it was in the back of the head, execution-style) therefore requires explanation. Why the hasty “burial at sea” without a post-mortem, as the law requires?
But the chorus celebrating summary execution is rationalised on the basis that this is one terrorist for whom trial would be unnecessary, difficult and dangerous. It overlooks the downsides – that killing Bin Laden has made him a martyr – more dangerous in that posthumous role than in hiding, and that both his legend and the conspiracy theories about 9/11 will live on undisputed by the evidence that would have been called at his trial.
Even worse, killing Bin Laden gave him the consummation he most devoutly wished, namely a fast-track to paradise. His belief system required him to die mid-Jihad, from an infidel bullet – not of old age on a prison farm in upstate New York. For this reason he would have refused any offer to surrender, and no doubt died with a smile on his lips.
I do not minimise the security issues at his trial or the danger of it ending up as a squalid circus like that of Saddam Hussein. But the notion that any form of legal process would have been too hard must be rejected. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed - also alleged to be the architect of 9/11 - will shortly go on trial and had Bin Laden been captured, he should have been put in the dock alongside him, so that their shared responsibility could have been properly examined.
Bin Laden could not have been tried for 9/11 at the International Criminal Court – its jurisdiction only came into existence nine months later. But the Security Council could have set up an ad hoc tribunal in The Hague, with international judges (including Muslim jurists), to provide a fair trial and a reasoned verdict.
This would have been the best way of de-mystifying this man, debunking his cause and de-brainwashing his followers. In the dock he would have been reduced in stature – never more remembered as the tall, soulful figure on the mountain, but as a hateful and hate-filled old man, screaming from the dock or lying from the witness box.
Since his videos exalt in the killing of innocent civilians, any cross-examination would have emphasised his inhumanity. These benefits flowing from justice have forever been foregone.
America’s belief in capital punishment is reflected in its rejoicing at the manner of Bin Laden’s demise. It is ironic to reflect that Bill Clinton secured his election by approving the execution of Ricky Roy Rector (a convict so brain-damaged that he ordered pumpkin pie for his last meal and said that he would “leave the rest until later”. And now Barak Obama has most likely secured his re-election approving the execution of Bin Laden. This may be welcome, given the alternatives. But it is a sad reflection on the continuing attraction of summary justice.
It was not always thus. When the time came to consider the fate of men much more steeped in wickedness than Bin Laden – the Nazi leadership – the British government wanted them hanged within six hours of capture. President Truman demurred, citing the conclusion of Justice Robert Jackson that summary execution “would not sit easily on the American conscience or be remembered by our children with pride?the only course is to determine the innocence or guilt of the accused after a hearing as dispassionate as the times will permit and upon a record that will leave our reasons and motives clear”. He insisted upon judgment at Nuremberg, which has confounded Holocaust-deniers ever since.
Killing instead of capturing Osama Bin Laden was a missed opportunity to prove to the world that this charismatic leader was in fact a vicious criminal, who deserved to die of old age in prison, and not as a martyr to his inhuman cause.
Source: http://www.independent.co.uk/opinio...claim-that-justice-has-been-done-2278041.html
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YEs and thank God we can always count on the Aussie's to help...........
Didn't need a trail........didn't want a trail..........would have served no purpose .................And don't worry about the $250 billion dollars..........We'll pay it ...........GLADLY........I often wonder when the rest of the world will learn, we will only take so much abuise. Then, May GOD have mercy on your soul.........
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Well I'm glad that you think it's worth spending $250 billion only to make a mockery of your own constitution.
Actually WE didn't spend that much to get him, We've spend most of that fighting a war with our enemy. The Constitution is perfectly fine, no worry there. Especially the second amendment the one to keep and bare arms. Wait . I forgot you gave that one away didn't you? Just turn them over if I remember correctly. Good luck on selling your strops made of kangaroo.
Actually WE didn't spend that much to get him, We've spend most of that fighting a war with our enemy. The Constitution is perfectly fine, no worry there. Especially the second amendment the one to keep and bare arms. Wait . I forgot you gave that one away didn't you? Just turn them over if I remember correctly. Good luck on selling your strops made of kangaroo.
I get the feeling you have problems with Australian's? Dont care a less if you do but the comments were unnecessary to say the least.
Actually WE didn't spend that much to get him, We've spend most of that fighting a war with our enemy. The Constitution is perfectly fine, no worry there. Especially the second amendment the one to keep and bare arms. Wait . I forgot you gave that one away didn't you? Just turn them over if I remember correctly. Good luck on selling your strops made of kangaroo.
Except, apparently, you don't agree with the right to a fair trial.
I don't have anything against people from down under. Most are probably fine people. But when people who want to start digging at my country and the way we do things, who don't know what it is like to wake up turn on a TV and watch hundreds of his fellow country men and women die for no reason, just because some nuts think that it will help their cause. Knowing that thousands of fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters, husbands, wifes, and children will suffer because of actions that were started by 1 insane Moslim. And you have the nerve to sit in jugement of us for the way we seck justice? To say that it would have been better to taken him alive and had a trail. I could care less what you think. Do you really think like that is it just your nature to argue, and you don't care how foolish it makes you look?
Actually WE didn't spend that much to get him, We've spend most of that fighting a war with our enemy. The Constitution is perfectly fine, no worry there. Especially the second amendment the one to keep and bare arms. Wait . I forgot you gave that one away didn't you? Just turn them over if I remember correctly. Good luck on selling your strops made of kangaroo.
Sorry, the Patriot Act makes a mockery of our constitution. It was passed by politicians who wanted more power, and we sat there and took it.
Gentlemen, please!
This thread is about toilet brushes that are made to resemble Osama bin Laden.
Let's stay on topic.
This thread is about toilet brushes that are made to resemble Osama bin Laden.
Let's stay on topic.
I second that and encourage all to revisit this post and, should you need clarification, the following quote in particular.
This applies to all of us. Americans, Australians and Burkina Fasians.
What about Plebeians?
When you became a mod, did you ever envision having to type a sentence like that?
Gents,
I am happy to report that I used my Osama bin Scrubbin' toilet brush this morning instead of my fancy schmancy badger brushes and it delivered a truly unbeatable shave. The bristles generated gobs of thick, creamy lather. The color of the lather itself was a little off white for some reason, more of a beige, but it worked just as well. It may be early to say, but I doubt I will be going back to my badgers or boars anytime soon.
I am happy to report that I used my Osama bin Scrubbin' toilet brush this morning instead of my fancy schmancy badger brushes and it delivered a truly unbeatable shave. The bristles generated gobs of thick, creamy lather. The color of the lather itself was a little off white for some reason, more of a beige, but it worked just as well. It may be early to say, but I doubt I will be going back to my badgers or boars anytime soon.
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Gents,
I am happy to report that I used my Osama bin Scrubbin' toilet brush this morning instead of my fancy schmancy badger brushes and it delivered a truly unbeatable shave. The bristles generated gobs of thick, creamy lather. The color of the lather itself was a little off white for some reason, more of a beige, but it worked just as well. It may be early to say, but I doubt I will be going back to my badgers or boars anytime soon.
How was the scent? Or would you describe it as more an "odour"?
The Constitution is inherently sexist. Did Martha Washington and Betsey Ross get the right to bare their legs in the hot Philadelphia summer? NO!
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