is this a prototype of the upcoming Ti model?
No sir...that is the Model S prototype. There were 4 of them made.
is this a prototype of the upcoming Ti model?
So they’re lying about the steel they’re using? That would be odd.Rocnel has some really innovative designs, but I don't for a minute believe that the steel used is 316L. I had a Rocnel Elite 2017 that had a dent from a drop of about one foot onto a cheap cafeteria table (hardly a hard surface), and I have seen other Rocnel razors on BST with abnormally deep scratches and gashes. Whatever steel Rocnel is using, it's very, very soft.
I agree-the steel is soft. My razor is always horizontal, never dropped, but there were small scratches. Wolfman is lying next to me-no scratches.Rocnel has some really innovative designs, but I don't for a minute believe that the steel used is 316L. I had a Rocnel Elite 2017 that had a dent from a drop of about one foot onto a cheap cafeteria table (hardly a hard surface), and I have seen other Rocnel razors on BST with abnormally deep scratches and gashes. Whatever steel Rocnel is using, it's very, very soft.
So they’re lying about the steel they’re using? That would be odd.
I am sorry to see this happened to you. I contemplated buying this razor but was put off by dealing with an international purchase. Now I’m glad I didn’t. By all accounts it’s an amazing shaver and certainly beautiful. But, I’m reading too many people indicating the steel seems unusually soft. It’s too expensive a piece for materials to be an acceptable issue for me.To be completely honest, I find the alloy to be quite abysmal. I aquired a shiner due to a mishap of washing the razor too closely to my facet, when I flipped the razor it hit the edge of the tap and created a dent resembling a chip. Sorry for the poor photo (indoor lighting). The dent is right at the middle top end of the top cap that resembles a sparkle. Probably took off almost half a millimeter. It's a total buzzkill.View attachment 1213134
Ti could be a good off-set considering how bulky a lot of Rocnel razors are (and because of the soft steel he is using).Wake me up when the Ti model gets made.
Thank you sir. I guess I could be an example of what NOT to do with this razor lol. Oh well, mistakes do happen. I understand where you are coming from regarding international purchases. I believe Bullgoose will be carrying some products from Rocnel later on this year.I am sorry to see this happened to you. I contemplated buying this razor but was put off by dealing with an international purchase. Now I’m glad I didn’t. By all accounts it’s an amazing shaver and certainly beautiful. But, I’m reading too many people indicating the steel seems unusually soft. It’s too expensive a piece for materials to be an acceptable issue for me.
I don't think the Titanium version will be out until maybe next year. Yes, the weight could be greatly offset by using titanium, but the 2021 version coming in at 138 grams already offers a weight reduction closer to 50 grams compared to the 2020 Sailor. It also looks to have a slimmer head. Not sure of the handle length, but it could be possibly be shortened as well. Hard to determine from that picture above as it's coming in from an angle.Ti could be a good off-set considering how bulky a lot of Rocnel razors are (and because of the soft steel he is using).
I know right? That’s almost 2 WR2s!Still $700?
The new Rocnel Sailor 2021 looks promising. Comes in at 138 grams and with an optional stand. View attachment 1216994
My brother from another mother!!!PS. If you think Titanium is going to eliminate scratches, you may be disappointed. Here is an interesting read:
Titanium Vs. Stainless Steel Watches – Best Watch Material?
FWIW...I've not dropped nor scratched any of my Ti Wolfies either....and they never leave the den. Unless my friend @Hannah's Dad Dan wants to borrow one. For him...anything.
I've been drooling over it since last night. I don't know how the heck Murat does it, but he ups the ante Every. Single. Time.I need that specific one! Quite handsome. Thanks for posting.
Agreed. I like the way his mind works. It has been fun watching and using the evolution of the Sailor design. They went from dainty to behemoth and seem to be moving down again. Good for the adjustable lover and fodder for the hater.I've been drooling over it since last night. I don't know how the heck Murat does it, but he ups the ante Every. Single. Time.
You can count me in. Permitting my wife doesn't throw a hissy fit over my hobby, consider me a Rocnel client for life.
Part of the selling point of 316L razors is that they are harder and more resilient than other grades of steel. They are supposed to outlast us, right? So when premium priced razors with a stated 316L alloy are soft -- and a number of owners of different Rocnel razor models have noted this -- it is worth mentioning.I hate to hear about the scratches and dings on the Sailors but I am certain the material is 316L and has been since 2014. I know because I asked specifically because of this thread and was provided cut sheets of the material. Murat is on Instagram and has always been pretty accessible to me. Maybe 316L is "soft", I've no idea, but accusing a manufacturer of lying about anything let alone materials used is a pretty strong accusation to make when the answer is pretty damned easy to ask. I had the answer in 5 minutes.
The first day I got my 2017 I unscrewed the adjuster and the barrel bounced off a tile floor a couple of time. No scratches. No dings. Short of that, I've neither dropped nor scratched any other parts of my Sailors. *knock on wood*
With that said, I have indeed scratched Wolfman razors. In fact, a mirrored baseplate will scratch with use from the blade itself in the 4 corners. There are usually corresponding spot scratches on the top cap too....and I baby my gear. I also loan my gear out and a couple handles have been scratched in the process. Wolfman also uses 316L steel. Hmm. Given my experience, should I publicly speculate DuFour is lying? Never. I'm no metallurgist and nothing on his site indicate his gear will no scratch through normal use...or from throwing it across the floor.
A $500 single gap Wolfie (even 2 WRs) or a $700 Sailor with a ton of settings...both will probably scratch but which is better? As always YMMV. My answer is ALL of the above and then some. If you expect any stainless steel razor, especially mirror polished SS to be impervious to scratches, you are fooling yourself IMO, no matter the grade.