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2020 Rocnel Sailor adjustable razor production model

Here's another thought as to a possible cause of the rocnel greater propensity to suffer surface damage when inflicted with impact on a hard surface. From my rather dim recollection of high school physics force is the result of mass x the square of acceleration it stands to reason then that if mass is increased by for example twice then be overall force that is inflicted on the object should also be twice as much. The sailor 2020 is literally almost twice as heavy as most other razors - even other stainless steel razors. Perhaps that is another explanation?
 
Here's another thought as to a possible cause of the rocnel greater propensity to suffer surface damage when inflicted with impact on a hard surface. From my rather dim recollection of high school physics force is the result of mass x the square of acceleration it stands to reason then that if mass is increased by for example twice then be overall force that is inflicted on the object should also be twice as much. The sailor 2020 is literally almost twice as heavy as most other razors - even other stainless steel razors. Perhaps that is another explanation?
Makes sense. The mass of the 2020 Sailor head might just take the faucet off.

My photo quandary came with the fact the worst gouge was on the underside of bottom plate. I'm curious how that is possible. It obviously happened, I just can't figure out how on the SE.


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During the discourse, I failed to ask the obvious. How? Exactly how did you manage to mar the SE like that.
The SE-P pictures are the ones I mentioned seeing in a BST post.

Here's another thought as to a possible cause of the rocnel greater propensity to suffer surface damage when inflicted with impact on a hard surface. From my rather dim recollection of high school physics force is the result of mass x the square of acceleration it stands to reason then that if mass is increased by for example twice then be overall force that is inflicted on the object should also be twice as much. The sailor 2020 is literally almost twice as heavy as most other razors - even other stainless steel razors. Perhaps that is another explanation?
With a Rocnel Sailor 2020 at height, sure. In my case it was a Rocnel Elite (2017) base plate, dropped about 30cm onto the PVC edging of a table. At that weight (base plate), height and surface material (edging), the degree of resulting damage was definitely abnormal.

Look, at this point I feel like it's starting to sound like I have an axe to grind. I don't. I'm just stating a concern with the material, which I think should be part of the discussion and not be overlooked. So maybe people can take this as a heads-up to handle Rocnel razors with a degree of care that goes beyond what you'd expect for a stainless steel razor but commensurate with a work of art or rare jewelry ... with some Rocnel razors it almost seems disrespectful to call them tools. On the topic of material, I'll shut up now.

No doubt that Rocnel has proven across a number of razor models that it is like the Tesla of the wet shaving industry and thus makes a huge intangible contribution beyond just selling razors, and it wouldn't surprise me if we saw some of those concepts replicated by other razor makers in the future. (While the website has changed for the better, dude really should have a gallery of old designs.)
 
The SE-P pictures are the ones I mentioned seeing in a BST post.


With a Rocnel Sailor 2020 at height, sure. In my case it was a Rocnel Elite (2017) base plate, dropped about 30cm onto the PVC edging of a table. At that weight (base plate), height and surface material (edging), the degree of resulting damage was definitely abnormal.

Look, at this point I feel like it's starting to sound like I have an axe to grind. I don't. I'm just stating a concern with the material, which I think should be part of the discussion and not be overlooked. So maybe people can take this as a heads-up to handle Rocnel razors with a degree of care that goes beyond what you'd expect for a stainless steel razor but commensurate with a work of art or rare jewelry ... with some Rocnel razors it almost seems disrespectful to call them tools. On the topic of material, I'll shut up now.

No doubt that Rocnel has proven across a number of razor models that it is like the Tesla of the wet shaving industry and thus makes a huge intangible contribution beyond just selling razors, and it wouldn't surprise me if we saw some of those concepts replicated by other razor makers in the future. (While the website has changed for the better, dude really should have a gallery of old designs.)
By all means please continue to interact on your points. It is legitimate for you to raise your views and personal experience and you shouldn't have to feel that you are not being nice to point it out. I too was surprised when my own sailor got a tiny nick when the handle fell on the cap.

My only point was that there are other possible explanations other than a different steel being used. Perhaps Murat should post to explain his perspective as the maker of the razor.
 
Even with such a painful damage to my Rocnel Sailor, I can actually still say I am quite lucky.

I cannot speak for anyone else, but at the end of the day I do in fact hold myself accountable for my actions or rather mis-actions.

I think it's extremely hard to be in Murat's position. He is a man that strives for excellence, this shows in the products he makes, and the service he offers. We as clients identify with that and naturally gravitate towards the same values.

After a couple of months of feeling down, there is hope. Whether the metal in question is harder or softer, it really doesn't matter, because Murat is there for me. I told him about my situation and he offered to give me a replacement top cap on the next batch of release. He never said how much, and was probably implying that it was on the house. Now that is customer service. Of course I don't feel completely right taking a part for free, so I told him to just bill me once he sends out the top cap.

For him, it's tough because he has to make a judgement call on which metals to use. At the end of the day, even if it's a softer metal, if for longevity sakes it does make perfect sense to choose one that would offer more corrosion resistance.

We're in a bit of a rare circle as Rocnel owners. It's a privilege to be able to enjoy these razors that are absolute works of art, just pure masterpieces, right gentleman? 🍻
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It is undoubtedly a unique design and an absolutely gorgeous razor. Thanks for sharing as that is impressive customer service by the manufacturer.
 
I own the SE in both SB and OC. Many metals "work harden" to some extent. I.e., the process of being milled/hammered/etc., results in molecular changes that harden the metal. This is why vintage unannealed brass Gillette (and other) handles split. 300 series stainless work hardens, so there are a limited number of ways to increase its hardness. Shot-peening is one.

Here's a good read:
Hardening stainless steel

I know that I can easily damage my 1917 Bulldog. I do my best to be careful.

Murat goes above & beyond, and delivers an excellent product.
 
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