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2 Band Brush Comparison (WSP, VB, Thäter, Rooney, Simpson, TGN)

As most of you know I am quite fond of 2 band brushes. I own about 20. Those are 9 Simpson (soon 10), 4 Thäter, 3 Rooney Heritage, 2 WSP (Monarch, Prince), 1 TGN (RV custom). 1 M&F and now one 1 VB (soon 2).

What I like about 2 band hair is the combination of very soft tips (I cannot take any scritch), sufficient backbone to manage hard soaps easily and limited bloom to keep better control while face lathering.

I stuck to named brands (Simpson, Rooney, Thäter) before trying a TGN knot and lately I have take a dive into even less expensive brushes completely made in China but distributed in the U.S. via U.S. vendors (so no eBay FS etc.).

I wanted to provide a comparison of these brushes for those who are wondering if it is worth to spend $100-200 for an equity brand 2 band or stick with a less expensive (less quality?) brush.

Below are the comparison candidates:

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1[SUP]st[/SUP] batch (from left to right)
M7 Simpson (23/52mm) ~ $250
Rooney Heritage Emillion 2 (24/50mm) ~ $160
VB Finest (24/55mm) ~ $30
Thäter Finest 4292/5 Bulb (25/54mm) ~ $165
TGN Finest (RV Custom 24/52mm) ~ $80

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2[SUP]nd[/SUP] Batch: (from left to right)
Thäter 4125/0 Finest Bulb (22/50mm) ~ $145
WSP Prince (23/46mm) ~ $50
Rooney Heritage Stubby 1 (22/46mm) ~ $130

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3[SUP]rd[/SUP] batch (from left to right)
Simpson PJ 2 (22/50mm) ~ $160
WSP Monarch (23/53mm) ~ $80

I chose these batches because they group brushes with similar knot and loft sizes. Criteria for comparison: Softness, Flowthrough, Density, Backbone, manufacturing quality. I the end I also have a look at the VB vs. the WSP Monarch. Of course all of this is YMMV and not representative as I had only one brush each to look at.

Batch 1M7Emillion 2VBThäterTGN
Softness+++++(+)++0
Flowthrough+++++++++
Density++++++
Backbone+++0++++
Mfg quality++++++++
Batch 2Thäter StoutWSP PrinceStubby 1
Softness++++
Flowthrough+++
Density++++
Backbone+++++
Mfg quality++0++
Batch 3PJ 2WSP Monarch
Softness++++
Flowthrough++++
Density++
Backbone+++
Mfg quality++++
Batch 3VBWSP Monarch
Softness++(+)++
Flowthrough+++
Density++
BackboneO+
Mfg quality+++

Other items to consider but more YMMV:
The handle design on the Simpson, Rooneys and Thäter brushes is clearly much more sophisticated.

The TGN, VB and Prince knot showed more variety in length of hair (some stray hairs). The Prince surprised with a left over nylon bristle in the middle of the knot that I had to cut out…

Durability? Only time will tell, if the less expensive knots fall apart faster. None of the brushes in this test had a lot if initial shedding but the PJ 2 (it stopped eventually). Then if you pay $30 i/o of $200 it is ok if the knot falls apart faster…

So what is the bottomline?

If you want a very soft 2 band brush that will give you a great lather with a nice face feel and you do not want to spend triple digits the VB and the WSP do just fine. Actually the VB should be your pick because of the lowest price in this comparison.

WSP and VB knots are superior to TGN knots (in my opinion).

Softness of WSP, VB, Thäter, Simpson knots are very similar. Current Rooney is a bit behind (the E2 is newer stock). Older Rooney (Stubby 1 is from the earlier “gel like” batch is the same).

The VB is very, very soft – I guess the softest… but also for me has the least backbone … Sometimes I thought this to be a Thäter 3 band…

Handle design … a matter of taste… VB most boring… WSP (Prince boring, Monarch a Kent handle design)… Simpson (for me the best!!).

If you buy a Kia and a BMW, both will get you from A to B (most of the time)… but the BMW gets you there more comfortably…


WSP, VB maybe produced by the generic Chinese vendors that you can buy brushes from on eBay. But you have the additional quality control of a named US vendor behind it (and do not need to worry when you get what).

I like the VB and WSP brushes and they are definitely great value for money. VB is the best value in this comparison.

I will keep them in my rotation. But I will still be buying Simpson and Thäter brushes as well for the same reason I drive a BMW…
 
German.

First, I want to thank you for creating this thread. This is very helpful for me right now. Could you remind me what VB and WSP brushes are? Those abbreviations have not made it into the glossary yet. Where can they be purchased?

To continue your analogy. Which of these tested are the Toyota of 2 band? Not inexpensive, but solid quality, excellent performance, but weak on the style points and creature comforts! Perhaps that is what you meant by Kia.

Thanks for your efforts!

Josh
 
WSP: Wet Shaving Products (.com)
VB: Vintagebladesllc.com

Kia vs. Toyota, hmmm...

I find the 24mm VB's bloom a bit too large, so I a ordered the smaller 22mm to check that one.

The price differential between the Monarch and VB is 2.5x. For that I would go with the VB brush unless you have a specific preference for the Kent like handle design of the Monarch.

Hope this helps.
 
What I like about 2 band hair is the combination of very soft tips (I cannot take any scritch), sufficient backbone to manage hard soaps easily and limited bloom to keep better control while face lathering.

In your testing you rated the VB as having a 0 for backbone. That seems in contradiction to the statement above. No? The price of the VB is right! The entire brush is less that the TGN knot. Will the VB have more backbone than my EJ BBB? The VB is in my shopping cart.
 
This is all relative in the end... The VB knot (as tested in the 24/55mm version) has a relatively high loft which offsets some of the resiliance of the 2 band hair... it will still work hard soaps with no problem. I prefer a bit less bloom in a 2 band... so I ordered the 22/52mm version as well (not received yet).
For the current price point of below $30 you really cannot make a mistake with this brush. The Monarch also has a relatively high loft. If you want to go for more backbone you could choose the WSP Prince version (quite a bit stiffer with a 46mm loft).
In the end you will need to give it a try to find out what you prefer more...
 
This is all relative in the end... The VB knot (as tested in the 24/55mm version) has a relatively high loft which offsets some of the resiliance of the 2 band hair... it will still work hard soaps with no problem. I prefer a bit less bloom in a 2 band... so I ordered the 22/52mm version as well (not received yet).
For the current price point of below $30 you really cannot make a mistake with this brush. The Monarch also has a relatively high loft. If you want to go for more backbone you could choose the WSP Prince version (quite a bit stiffer with a 46mm loft).
In the end you will need to give it a try to find out what you prefer more...

I look forward to your review of the 22/52.

Thanks again for the testing.
 
. . . In the end you will need to give it a try to find out what you prefer more...

Just ordered the 22mm VB.

Seeing this thread reminded me that I had seen a thread on a new brush from Vintage Blades. I just went back and read that one. If you and Beginish are recommending it, it's worth a try. From my reading, a 2 band seems to meet my needs, but I've hesitated spending hundreds to find out.

thanks for your help!

Josh
 
German,

It's a lot of work systematically comparing and contrasting so many brushes with a lot of variables. Thank you for doing it and posting your results. Incredibly helpful.
oake
 
German,

It's a lot of work systematically comparing and contrasting so many brushes with a lot of variables. Thank you for doing it and posting your results. Incredibly helpful.
oake

+1

. . . Except that I think doing the testing is probably the easy part. It's the documentation that is so much work. Taking pictures, uploading pictures, and lots of writing!

The effort is very much appreciated.
 
I also have the VB 24x55mm brush, and was thinking the same about possibly benefiting by reducing the loft, perhaps to somewhere between 50 - 52mm. It's a very good brush for the price but, as I am a face latherer, it seems to me that the knot is currently designed to be a compromise between face and bowl lathering...leaning a bit more toward better bowl lathering.
 
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