1k vs. 2k nani

[sanfranciscian]

Hi all, having purchased the 5k,8k,12k naniwas i believe that leaves me with only the need for a good bevel setter? and i have not decided yet on which to go with, it seems that the 2k is supposed to have a smoother feel than the 1k and was wondering how much difference otherwise i could expect when it come to the bevel setting. any one with experience with both would be greatly appreciated but i would love independent thoughts also. Thanks i know you must all be getting tired of these naniwa threads.

Ian

 

[LarryAndro]

I go from the Naniwa 1K to the 3K, and have not used the 2K. But, cannot think of any reason that you would't be happy with the 1K. Possibly, going from the 2K to the 5K is less a jump than from the 1K. But, truthfully, I would have no problem going from the 1K to the 5K. The intermediate 3K saves time, but would not be indispensable.

What are you using under the 2K? Do you use a DMT, maybe a 600?

 

[sanfranciscian]

HI larry , thanks for the response. actually i emailed you this morning for a couple of beater razors to punish. i actually dont have anything other than a dmt8x which is 220 so not good for bevels i assume. bought that early on when i knew nothing rather than now when i know very little. but it is a great little lapper. i have been leaning toward the 1k because i thought it might be more versatile. I hadn't really thought of a need to go lower but probably will have to? sounds like you are saying a 600 might be eventually needed?

 

[LarryAndro]

There seems to be enough divergence of opinion on the strategy and hones to be used below 1K that I hesitate speaking much about my strategy. Nonetheless, I will forge ahead, but giving everyone full freedom to disagree with me.

Most of the razors I get from Ebay and antique shops are far from ready for the 1K. I guess I could start there if I had a very long time to hone. In my opinion, if you are restoring more than just a few razors once in awhile, the 1K sits roughly 1/3 up the grit progression.

I use the DMT 220, 325, 600 and occasionally the DMT 1200. Usually, I skip the 1200 and go the Naniwa 1K. In my opinion, the 1K is not really the best bevel setter for many razors. If the bevel isn't set before the 1K, then I can set the bevel on the 1K but only with great difficulty and a lot of time.

So, it depends on what you want to do. If you are going to hone many razors, I believe it best to have maybe the DMT 325 and 600 or their grit equivalent.

A lot left unsaid. But, it will give the idea.

 

[sanfranciscian]

Thanks again larry, i suppose in a pinch i might go with some wet dry paper to get up and running and make those other decisions later, although the bean counter in me can see the prudence of getting off the disposable paper money pit vs. embracing the hone money pit LOL

Ian

 

[LarryAndro]

Yes! Knowing whether to cobble your way thru, or buy something better. The eternal question...

But, don't worship the grit size gaps between your hones. By the time you get to the 12K all evidence of the lower hones is gone. There are smart ways to get to the 12K, but few of the lesser smart ways are wrong ways.

 

[Basset]

Hi all, having purchased the 5k,8k,12k naniwas i believe that leaves me with only the need for a good bevel setter? and i have not decided yet on which to go with, it seems that the 2k is supposed to have a smoother feel than the 1k and was wondering how much difference otherwise i could expect when it come to the bevel setting. any one with experience with both would be greatly appreciated but i would love independent thoughts also. Thanks i know you must all be getting tired of these naniwa threads.

Ian

"Smoother feel" in what respect? You mean the feel you get when you are honing? I would suspect a 2k is always going to feel smoother than a 1k if it's the same series of stones.

If you are talking about a smoother shave, I don't see that. The scratch marks from a 2k or a 1k are going to be worn away by the time you are finishing the stone.

You can certainly set a bevel with a 2k, or even the 3k. It's just going to take longer. I don't think the Naniwa 1k is so coarse that it removes a vast amount of metal, like the coarser DMTs do.

I have the 1k, 3k, 5k, 8k, 12k. The 1k seems to work quite well for me (an many others, judging from their posts) in setting the bevel. I go lower than 1k only if the blade has chips or real problems (e.g. frown, someone breadknifed it).

For antique store finds, I like the 1k to 3k progression better than 1k to 5k, but only because it sharpens faster.

For razors that were recently in shaving condition, I tend not to go below 5k to bring it back up.

 

[Loner16]

I did as you did... I purchased the 5K, 8K, 12K Naniwa set. I found I needed more for some of the e-bay finds, so I purchased the 2K. If the edge has any chips, even if not visible to the naked eye (mine, anyway), One can spend a loong time on the 2K getting them out!
So, my next purchase is the 1K Superstone, or perhaps a 1K Chosera..

I can't give meaningful advice... Just relating my limited experience.

 

[sanfranciscian]

Thanks Basset, yes i was referring to the feel on the stone probably a moot point on my part. for now i am not concerned about ebay specials rather i some how managed to acquire three razors in a short time all of which are new or NOS so really just talking about a good edge to start with, though i did manage to find the faucet with my new dovo special and under a 30x loupe you can see where it got the very tip and is going to need some love. fortunately it does not affect the shave at all so i think it will probably be my first attempt since it came with a coupon for a free honing when purchased and gives me a back up plan.
Thanks loner, you did give me meaningful advice!

 

[Basset]

I did as you did... I purchased the 5K, 8K, 12K Naniwa set. I found I needed more for some of the e-bay finds, so I purchased the 2K. If the edge has any chips, even if not visible to the naked eye (mine, anyway), One can spend a loong time on the 2K getting them out!
So, my next purchase is the 1K Superstone, or perhaps a 1K Chosera..

I can't give meaningful advice... Just relating my limited experience.

The 1k Chosera is about double the cost of the 1k superstone. I''ve tried one, and it seems quite a bit harder than the 1k super stone. I prefer the softer feel of the super stone. For me, the only reason advantage the 1k Chosera has for razors is that it is thick and without a stand, so you could turn the stone on its side and use the 1" surface to hone smiling or warped blades, in case the other methods of setting bevels on such blades (e.g., rolling x stroke, honing at 45-degree angle) weren't working for you. But you don't need a Chosera to do that a Norton 1k will do the same thing, but for about $30 less. My $0.02.

 

[Utopian]

Given the importance of setting the bevel, and following the tenet of doubling grits in the honing progression, I'd suggest you get both!

I have and use both. If you want just one of them for a bevel setter, I'd go with the 1k simply because it's much faster than the 2k for setting the bevel.

 

[gary haywood]

i 'd go for 1k naniwa

 

[ambrose]

for junkers a 600 dmt, for bringing back an edge that just went dull a 1k nani

 

[PhatMan]

Ian,

I have the 1K Naniwa, and I find it to be excellent

Have fun !

Best regards

Russ

 

[Utopian]

Another option would be the 1k Norton. The single grit hone is about $45 so about $10 more than the Naniwa but its more than twice as thick and it a faster cutter. If you want to hone many razors (OK, I realize not everyone does) then the speed of your bevel setter is critical and the Norton beats the Naniwa.